Guy Berger Posted January 3, 2005 Report Share Posted January 3, 2005 I started working through the Chico Hamilton mosaic yesterday -- I've had it lying around since Aug '03 but only unwrapped it recently. I've only touched the first disc -- interesting stuff but nothing's really jumped out at me. The live stuff is a bit more exciting than the studio material. "Blue Sands" would make an entertaining blindfold test! Guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chaney Posted January 3, 2005 Report Share Posted January 3, 2005 This comment will no doubt be poo pooed by others, and that's OK, but... CAUTION: DO NOT listen to this set while operating large machinery (or eating deep bowls of soup). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted January 3, 2005 Report Share Posted January 3, 2005 B-) I disagree, but that was pretty funny! This set grows on me more and more; sure it's not hard bop but that's its charm for me. Plus. . .the live material was possibly recorded the day I was born! Pretty fun to have that sort of thing to hear. (Also recorded that day was the Hank Jones Trio date on Savoy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted January 3, 2005 Report Share Posted January 3, 2005 In spite of Lonson's birthday I don't smell lots of testosterone in the air. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted January 3, 2005 Report Share Posted January 3, 2005 Some of us don't need to smell a lot of testosterone! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted January 3, 2005 Report Share Posted January 3, 2005 Some of us don't need to smell a lot of testosterone! "Need" is your word, not mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted January 3, 2005 Report Share Posted January 3, 2005 (edited) Okay. I'll have to draw this off the rack soon and listen again. I like it. Edited January 3, 2005 by jazzbo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chaney Posted January 3, 2005 Report Share Posted January 3, 2005 I'm guessing that the testosterone comment refers to hard bop, and the Hamilton set being on the gentle side. I listened to all of the Hamilton set one time. Very difficult accomplishment (FEAT!), as I remember remarking to Hans at the time. I have no problem with music that's gentle but the Hamilton I found to be too... oh, what's the word... sedate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AfricaBrass Posted January 3, 2005 Report Share Posted January 3, 2005 I pulled out the Ellington Suite with Eric Dolphy reissue the other day. I really enjoyed hearing it again. I have the Hamilton Mosaic, but I've found that I've always listened to it in small doses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted January 3, 2005 Report Share Posted January 3, 2005 Hamilton w/Collette & Hall worked just fine for me (better than just fine, actually), but when that shifted to Horn & Pisano, well, I had no real use for it. It was the difference between difference and blahness. They STILL need to get the Hamilton Trio PJ side out into general circulation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Posted January 3, 2005 Report Share Posted January 3, 2005 It took a little while but the set grew on me. Disc one includes my favourite version of 'My funny valentine' which sounds almost gothic to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Fenohr Posted January 3, 2005 Report Share Posted January 3, 2005 (edited) Jim, If they put out the Trio side, they could put the two tracks,Buddy Boo and What Is There To Say, from the 10" version that never made it to the 12" as bonus tracks. Edited January 3, 2005 by Bill Fenohr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefan Wood Posted January 3, 2005 Report Share Posted January 3, 2005 I love this set. "Sedate?" Well, to each his own. There's a hell of a lot of stuff going on in the music, and I find it as challenging and rewarding as the Sam Rivers set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Berger Posted January 21, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2005 I'm now halfway through the set... the live stuff on discs 2 & 3 (even the first session with Horn) is really good! I'm guessing I haven't touched the more comatose recordings. Guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDK Posted January 21, 2005 Report Share Posted January 21, 2005 from me. I especially love the live stuff on 2 & 3. Yeah, some of it's a bit "sleepy" and some too chamber music-y, but one can't listen to hard bop all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porcy62 Posted January 21, 2005 Report Share Posted January 21, 2005 .... but one can't listen to hard bop all the time. Right, there is a lot of stuff like Art Ensemble Of Chicago, Ayler... and J. Hendrix, of course! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazz Kat Posted January 21, 2005 Report Share Posted January 21, 2005 Chico's albums are some of the most hard to find albums than any other jazz musician put out. Parts of his Gongs East, are cool, but I get lost in the conversations between the cello and pearcing alto sound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Berger Posted June 29, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 29, 2005 I listened to the whole thing and my opinion: The studio stuff on disc 1 is OK The live stuff on discs 1, 2, 3 is great; even the Horn stuff at the end of disc 3 is quite good. "Fast Flute" and "Caravan" are especially good. Things start heading south on the "music of Fred Katz" stuff. Yawn. And they get really bad on that South Pacific nonsense. I think the Ellington Suite is better with Eric Dolphy than with Horn and Collette, though the latter is better than the South Pacific material. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted June 29, 2005 Report Share Posted June 29, 2005 I'm guessing that the testosterone comment refers to hard bop, and the Hamilton set being on the gentle side. Is there anything such as soft bop?!?! I don't find it being sedate at all - just different. They swing as hard as anybody without shouting out, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tranemonk Posted June 29, 2005 Report Share Posted June 29, 2005 I have gone back and forth on this set... When I first heard it ... I hated it.... I was like WHAT THE HELL was that???? Hello.... didn't listen to it for years... and pulled it out about a week ago due to some conversation on this board (about Jim Hall, I think? maybe West Coast jazz?? ).... and liked it much more.... Giving Disc 2 a spin right now.... Hm..... I think i may be going back and forth again... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted June 30, 2005 Report Share Posted June 30, 2005 Next best thing to jazz? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tranemonk Posted June 30, 2005 Report Share Posted June 30, 2005 okay update.... after about 3 tracks... it was not working for me.... so away with you.... !!! Had to slip in an Elvin Jones CD (Very Rare! W/ Art Pepper).. to get MY groove back.... (forget Stella.... That chamberjazz stuff was (in the words of super-spy Austin Powers wilting my mojo).... Phew.... thank you Elvin.... I have gone back and forth on this set... When I first heard it ... I hated it.... I was like WHAT THE HELL was that???? Hello.... didn't listen to it for years... and pulled it out about a week ago due to some conversation on this board (about Jim Hall, I think? maybe West Coast jazz?? ).... and liked it much more.... Giving Disc 2 a spin right now.... Hm..... I think i may be going back and forth again... ← Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clunky Posted June 30, 2005 Report Share Posted June 30, 2005 I got this at the last gasp along with AEC Nessa box ( True Blue promotion), very different from each other but I cope (just) by playing small quantities at a time of the Hamilton. I like most of it even if it's more like diazepam rather than testosterone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJ Posted July 1, 2005 Report Share Posted July 1, 2005 I like it, or much of it. Different. Maybe stretches the boundaries of what will by consensus be called "jazz." Sometimes in a positive way, sometimes not. There are worse sins than inconsistency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcoliv Posted July 3, 2005 Report Share Posted July 3, 2005 i'm getting used to this set in small doses but i'm glad i have it Marcus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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