dova Posted December 31, 2004 Report Posted December 31, 2004 I have recently been scouring around for past cd releases on the Candid label and ran across Richard Williams on Trumpet on a title called New Horn in Town. His supporting cast is Reggie Workman on Bass, Richard Wyands on piano, Leo Wright on Tenor and a guy named Bobby Thomas on drums. I don't know of any other sessions Richard led but MAN, can he blow. This is 60's hard bop at its finest. The Lp is cost prohibitive for me as it sold recently on e-bay for well over $250.00. I ordered the cd from Amazon sealed and even it wasn't exactly cheap. Trust me on this one, you will be extremely pleased!! dova Quote
Bill Fenohr Posted December 31, 2004 Report Posted December 31, 2004 Although not the leader, you can dig Richard on three excellent Gigi Gryce OJCs, Saying Somethin', The Rat Race Blues and The Happ'nin's. If you were around in the 60's, which maybe you were'nt, Richard Williams was not an unknown. Quote
Guy Berger Posted December 31, 2004 Report Posted December 31, 2004 Although not the leader, you can dig Richard on three excellent Gigi Gryce OJCs, Saying Somethin', The Rat Race Blues and The Happ'nin's. If you were around in the 60's, which maybe you were'nt, Richard Williams was not an unknown. He's on at least one Mingus album (Mingusx5) and, IIRC, Y Lateef's Live at Pep's. Guy Quote
marcello Posted January 1, 2005 Report Posted January 1, 2005 I've always thought that Cecil Bridgewater had a lot in common, in concept, with Williams who was a very unique trumpeter. Quote
JSngry Posted January 1, 2005 Report Posted January 1, 2005 Individual mileages will vary, of course, but I think that Williams was a better player than he showed on his sole album as leader. Quote
kh1958 Posted January 1, 2005 Report Posted January 1, 2005 Although not the leader, you can dig Richard on three excellent Gigi Gryce OJCs, Saying Somethin', The Rat Race Blues and The Happ'nin's. If you were around in the 60's, which maybe you were'nt, Richard Williams was not an unknown. He's on at least one Mingus album (Mingusx5) and, IIRC, Y Lateef's Live at Pep's. Guy Richard Williams also plays on other Mingus recordings: The Black Saint and the Sinner Lady (1963), The Complete Town Hall Concert (1962) and some of the tracks on Mingus Dynasty (1959) and Mingus Revisited (1960). In addition, he's on couple of Blue Note recordings: Big John Patton--The Way I Feel Booker Ervin--The In Between Quote
Soul Stream Posted January 1, 2005 Report Posted January 1, 2005 Of course, Richard Williams plays wonderfully on John Patton's "The Way I Feel" album on Blue Note (available on the Patton Mosaic Select). Quote
Dmitry Posted January 1, 2005 Report Posted January 1, 2005 The Lp is cost prohibitive for me as it sold recently on e-bay for well over $250.00. Wow! I have both the Stereo and Mono pressings. Quote
Spontooneous Posted January 1, 2005 Report Posted January 1, 2005 More good Richard Williams on: Oliver Nelson, Screamin' the Blues A Red Garland quintet date for Prestige A Jaki Byard Prestige date Duke Jordan, Duke's Delight Some brief Richard spots on Randy Weston's Uhuru Africa (in the Mosaic Select) and Clark Terry's Big Ba-a-ad Band Live at the '74 Wichita Jazz Festival. Quote
mikeweil Posted January 1, 2005 Report Posted January 1, 2005 ... and, IIRC, Y Lateef's Live at Pep's. He's in fine form on both volumes. Got them a few months ago and do not regret it. Quote
JohnS Posted January 1, 2005 Report Posted January 1, 2005 Alan Bates who owns the material told me that this is considered to be the least successful Candid session. I can't recall who told him, Nat Hentoff maybe, but the opinion was that Williams was not ready to be a leader. Quote
king ubu Posted January 1, 2005 Report Posted January 1, 2005 Big fan of Richard Williams here! (And couw will pop in, too, once he'll be back from the seemingly www-lacking Netherlands...) I think his Candid album is at least ok or good. Seems many people don't like Leo Wright (intonation, mainly, is the problem, I think). He's one of the reasons, it seems, why Blue Note didn't want to release the first Blue Mitchell album (the other and hopefully main reason being that soon after it was in the can Blue had taken over the Horace Silver group as his own working unit, thus the first album would have been somehow dated on the moment of its release, already). The two "Live at Pep's" Impulse! discs by Yusef Lateef are among my favourites, and Williams is smoking on them, as is Brother Yusef and the rhythm section (with Mike Nock on piano). Williams can be heard on some Birdland broadcasts of Mingus' 1961 band. Seems Mingus liked him a lot - what a pity that there is no small group Mingus album with Williams featured! ubu Quote
mikeweil Posted January 1, 2005 Report Posted January 1, 2005 (edited) Seems many people don't like Leo Wright (intonation, mainly, is the problem, I think). He's one of the reasons, it seems, why Blue Note didn't want to release the first Blue Mitchell album. I cannot understand people picking on Leo Wright's intonation, where Jackie McLean's is worse much of the time ... He's totally okay to these ears on the Richard Williams Candid - Wright played in the Berlin RIAS big band, which would not have happened with intonation problems. Some prejudices die hard. (Edited for typo.) Edited January 1, 2005 by mikeweil Quote
Bill Fenohr Posted January 1, 2005 Report Posted January 1, 2005 Right on Mr Weil! Willims is also on a couple of the Slide Hampton Atlantic dates. Quote
tooter Posted January 1, 2005 Report Posted January 1, 2005 His supporting cast is Reggie Workman on Bass, Richard Wyands on piano, Leo Wright on Tenor and a guy named Bobby Thomas on drums. Love this album. Only a minor point but Leo Wright is on alto and flute rather than tenor. AMG lists Richard Williams as playing "saxophone" as well as trumpet but just a mistake I should think. Also like his stuff with Gigi Gryce a lot (Rat Race Blues, Happenin's, Sayin' Somethin') or anything else by him. Quote
catesta Posted January 1, 2005 Report Posted January 1, 2005 The Lp is cost prohibitive for me as it sold recently on e-bay for well over $250.00. Wow! I have both the Stereo and Mono pressings. Dig 'em out of storage, dude! I'll split it with you. Quote
DrJ Posted January 2, 2005 Report Posted January 2, 2005 (edited) catesta Posted on Jan 1 2005, 02:31 PM QUOTE (Dmitry @ Dec 31 2004, 06:21 PM) QUOTE (dova @ Dec 31 2004, 06:34 PM) The Lp is cost prohibitive for me as it sold recently on e-bay for well over $250.00. Wow! I have both the Stereo and Mono pressings. Dig 'em out of storage, dude! I'll split it with you. wink.gif Just FYI, I located a Barnaby reissue of this date on LP not long ago and paid around $5. Well, it ain't original virgin vinyl, but it sounds surprisingly good, and the price was most definitely right...keep your eyes peeled, folks! In fact, there's 2 copies of this 1977 LP reissue listed on Ebay right this very minute: Williams Candid on Ebay I think it's a good one...Williams plays it pretty close to the vest, nobody really busts loose but nice, very nice inside-and-just-a-tad-out kind of date of the era. Edited January 2, 2005 by DrJ Quote
couw Posted January 2, 2005 Report Posted January 2, 2005 all of the above plus: and of course: w/ Lateef there is also the Impulse album Jazz Around The World, sorrily out of print. The best Williams is playing ballads. He's nice w/ all the rest, but his ballad playing is truly fabulous. Quote
king ubu Posted January 3, 2005 Report Posted January 3, 2005 Seems many people don't like Leo Wright (intonation, mainly, is the problem, I think). He's one of the reasons, it seems, why Blue Note didn't want to release the first Blue Mitchell album. I cannot understand people picking on Leo Wright's intonation, where Jackie McLean's is worse much of the time ... He's totally okay to these ears on the Richard Williams Candid - Wright played in the Berlin RIAS big band, which would not have happened with intonation problems. Some prejudices die hard. (Edited for typo.) You're absolutely right of course, Mike! That was not my opinion, in that last post of mine. ubu Quote
ajf67 Posted January 3, 2005 Report Posted January 3, 2005 catesta Posted on Jan 1 2005, 02:31 PM QUOTE (Dmitry @ Dec 31 2004, 06:21 PM) QUOTE (dova @ Dec 31 2004, 06:34 PM) The Lp is cost prohibitive for me as it sold recently on e-bay for well over $250.00. Wow! I have both the Stereo and Mono pressings. Dig 'em out of storage, dude! I'll split it with you. wink.gif Just FYI, I located a Barnaby reissue of this date on LP not long ago and paid around $5. Well, it ain't original virgin vinyl, but it sounds surprisingly good, and the price was most definitely right...keep your eyes peeled, folks! In fact, there's 2 copies of this 1977 LP reissue listed on Ebay right this very minute: Williams Candid on Ebay I think it's a good one...Williams plays it pretty close to the vest, nobody really busts loose but nice, very nice inside-and-just-a-tad-out kind of date of the era. I have the Barnaby re-issue LP also, and I'm very satisifed with it. Quote
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