AllenLowe Posted October 13, 2007 Author Report Posted October 13, 2007 are we still talking about white alto players? Quote
porcy62 Posted October 13, 2007 Report Posted October 13, 2007 are we still talking about white alto players? Bird played a white plastic alto at Massey Hall, didn't he? Quote
Guest Bill Barton Posted October 13, 2007 Report Posted October 13, 2007 As a native Vermonter, let me put in a plug for one of that state's finest players, Dave "The Truth" Grippo. He doesn't have a lot of CDs easily available but here's one, which is highly recommended. He's also recorded with Michael Ray and The Cosmic Krewe and leads The Dave Grippo Funk Band. Quote
Peter Friedman Posted October 14, 2007 Report Posted October 14, 2007 Dave Turner is a good Canadian alto player. Another Canadian Phil Dwyer usually plays tenor and also piano, but has also recorded on alto. BTW, Dwyer is a really fine tenor player. Still another Canadian alto player is Campbell Ryga. It is possible that Gary Pribek might just be the best, or one of the best real BEBOP alto players around. Of course, Charles McPherson and Frank Morgan ( both not white), might vie for that allocade? Unfortunately, there is not a huge amount of recorded music available with Pribek. He was a sideman with Buddy Rich, Lionel Hampton, and the Mel Lewis Jazz Orchestra. The best place to hear him is on a number of Danny D'Imperio's recordings. I attended the D'Imperio recording session on the Sackville label titled THE OUTLAW, where I had a chance to hear Pribek live over two days. He is a marvelous alto player. Quote
alocispepraluger102 Posted October 14, 2007 Report Posted October 14, 2007 (edited) wrong picture, Leeway... Garth-- talk to me. i had all sortsa early Phil & it was fine; the Mosaic just brought me down. what in between or after those do you dig & why? gracias, clementine gets a-head Clem, I agree that a lot of the stuff that he did for his own label and then Concord, was rather repetitious and let's say it, boring. I was NOT a lover of the Quintets he had at that time. I do not own the Mosaic set for that reason. But the much of the stuff he did for the Italian Philology label (named after him.. Geez!) is very intense although sometimes uneven, seemingly hastily put together. I would recommend particularly the 2-CD duo set he did with Gordon Beck, "The Complete Wigmore Hall Concert" on the French JMS Label; also, of course, "Musique De Bois" on Muse (with Byard, Richard Davis, Alan Dawson) is one of the best alto quartet bop albums ever recorded IMHO! I also heartily recommend "Here's To My Lady" with Flanagan, Mraz and Kenny Washington on the Chesky label, and "Ornithology" a quartet session on Philology with Franco D'Andrea (p), Attilio Zanchi (b), and Gianni Cazzola (d). Hmmmmmmmm.. now THAT should open your ears a little bit to what Woods is capable of now that he is out of the clutches of Concord! As I said previously, his delightful (nothing dramatic) album of Quincy Jones music is a current "mellow mood" favorite of mine ... I should also add that he has been recently trouring with Bud Shank to great acclaim from those who have heard this two-alto dynamo. They have cut a record and is should be available in the coming monhs.. I can't wait to hear that ... two 70 year old alto players piercing the ether! woods did a beautiful duo album that i really like, "flowers for hodges," with jim mcneely. this makes 3 concords i own, by denny zeitlin, hodges, and marian mcpartland. not a particular fan of that label. this shank resurgence surprises me. in the 60's, shank, chet baker, oliver nelson, and joe pas were spitting out mostly forgettable poppish albums by the dozen on pacific jazz. my favorite shank album was a beautiful beautiful pacific jazz album with kimio eto, called koto and flute. Edited October 14, 2007 by alocispepraluger102 Quote
AllenLowe Posted October 14, 2007 Author Report Posted October 14, 2007 well than - me - gave up the tenor because there's too many tenor players - figured I'm swimming in a smaller, non-Coltrane pond now - Quote
clifford_thornton Posted October 14, 2007 Report Posted October 14, 2007 Damn! None of you know of Alan Praskin. He's great on the Zitro LP. I believe he lived in Japan for a time in the '70s; recall seeing his name on a couple of oddball Denon free jazz records. Quote
clifford_thornton Posted October 14, 2007 Report Posted October 14, 2007 John Tchicai Tchicai is black; he's of Danish & Congolese heritage. Mike Osborne is another worth mentioning; also Kris Wanders, Cel Overberghe, and Piet Noordrijk! Quote
BruceH Posted October 14, 2007 Report Posted October 14, 2007 are we still talking about white alto players? Bird played a white plastic alto at Massey Hall, didn't he? But the subject is white alto players, not players of white altos. Quote
paul secor Posted October 14, 2007 Report Posted October 14, 2007 John Tchicai Tchicai is black; he's of Danish & Congolese heritage. He's of Danish & Congolese heritage, so that makes him black? - whatever that might mean. Most people would see me as white, but I wonder what would show up if I had my DNA tested for a genetic profile? Perhaps if everyone everywhere had a genetic profile test done it might start a lot of folks thinking, and perhaps change some thinking. Quote
porcy62 Posted October 14, 2007 Report Posted October 14, 2007 (edited) are we still talking about white alto players? Bird played a white plastic alto at Massey Hall, didn't he? But the subject is white alto players, not players of white altos. I suspected it. Though I have some problem in general with english: you mean "white alto player" as white man playing alto saxophone only because of the contest of discussion, if I write "Name a white dog owner", you could mean both "a white man who own a dog" as "a man who own a white dog", don't you? Damn anglosaxons with your dazed unordered ill-formed language! Learn some fucking coherent latin! Edited October 14, 2007 by porcy62 Quote
marcello Posted October 15, 2007 Report Posted October 15, 2007 (edited) Andy Fusco Rosario Giuliani Edited October 15, 2007 by marcello Quote
clifford_thornton Posted October 15, 2007 Report Posted October 15, 2007 John Tchicai Tchicai is black; he's of Danish & Congolese heritage. He's of Danish & Congolese heritage, so that makes him black? - whatever that might mean. Most people would see me as white, but I wonder what would show up if I had my DNA tested for a genetic profile? Perhaps if everyone everywhere had a genetic profile test done it might start a lot of folks thinking, and perhaps change some thinking. Not intended to be racist... jeez. Quote
paul secor Posted October 15, 2007 Report Posted October 15, 2007 John Tchicai Tchicai is black; he's of Danish & Congolese heritage. He's of Danish & Congolese heritage, so that makes him black? - whatever that might mean. Most people would see me as white, but I wonder what would show up if I had my DNA tested for a genetic profile? Perhaps if everyone everywhere had a genetic profile test done it might start a lot of folks thinking, and perhaps change some thinking. Not intended to be racist... jeez. I know that, clifford. Didn't mean to single you out. Just wanted to turn the thinking of the thread around a bit. Probably shouldn't have posted anything, as it's a very, very, very complex subject. Quote
king ubu Posted October 15, 2007 Report Posted October 15, 2007 Andy Fusco Rosario Giuliani Add Stefano di Battista! Quote
king ubu Posted October 15, 2007 Report Posted October 15, 2007 Michael Moore - one of my big favourites, great clarinet player as well! Quote
Niko Posted October 15, 2007 Report Posted October 15, 2007 had hoped for a "fleshier" picture to continue the series... here's Frank Gratkowski anyway Quote
AllenLowe Posted October 15, 2007 Author Report Posted October 15, 2007 I think of myself as the white Gene Quill - Quote
Niko Posted October 16, 2007 Report Posted October 16, 2007 further back to the orginal topic, don't think we have mentioned Charlie Kennedy so far and especially Anthony Ortega Quote
Kalo Posted October 16, 2007 Report Posted October 16, 2007 Michael Moore - one of my big favourites, great clarinet player as well! Agreed! Quote
AllenLowe Posted October 16, 2007 Author Report Posted October 16, 2007 let us not forget Frank Trumbauer, who played alto in addition to C Melody - Quote
Daniel A Posted October 16, 2007 Report Posted October 16, 2007 There are several good plastic alto players from Sweden... Johan Hörlén, Per "Ruskträsk" Johansson (not to be confused with the tenor and clarinet player Per "Texas" Johansson), Peter Fredman, Håkan Broström... More well-known is perhaps the late Rolf Billberg. Quote
clifford_thornton Posted October 16, 2007 Report Posted October 16, 2007 (edited) Bengt "Frippe" Nordstrom, a favorite of mine... On the white plastic alto, to boot. That is what we're talking about, right? Edited October 16, 2007 by clifford_thornton Quote
Daniel A Posted October 16, 2007 Report Posted October 16, 2007 So it was not about plastic players? Quote
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