AfricaBrass Posted December 2, 2004 Report Share Posted December 2, 2004 Enough of your merriment, AB! Seriously, what'd they ban you for--brightening their day? Thanks Ghost! Actually, in one of the threads, someone mentioned that they were looking for a certain guitar and I made the mistake of telling them that I had what they were looking for and was thinking of selling... It did me a favor... hanging out at that forum made me spend too much money. Being addicted to cds is nothing, just try guitars. Oof! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonic1 Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 I post on all three threads. The numbers I saw you post (I didn't read this entire thread mind you) are about my experience of all three forums. JC is very active, and there are some great posters on there, some of which are jazz critics, label owners, etc. Lois keeps promising that Anthony Braxton will be posting for us, but I am still waiting. Anyway, because there is more posting on particular subjects, it feels more active. You have to keep up, but some good exchange can take place. Also there are a lot of promiscuous music freaks (like me) who listen to EVERYTHING, from popular music to the outer reaches, and I like their company. Sergio, Jon Abbey, Lazurus, and a few other come to mind. That said, there are a lot of really annoying posters there. Trolls who wait for their issues to pop up and spew verbage. Or some who just constantly spew verbage regardless of anyone cares (goodspeak). I hope I have not been too bad about that, spewing verbage that is, but I admit being in the trenches has made me much more a participant. And posting frequently (my average is about 3 a day as of today, though on days off I can post much much more than that) certainly there is room for more verbal economy. I post here 2nd most. The reason I don't post as often is probably cause I am new here, and also I find threads to be less active than I would like. But I see that is changing. This forum rocks, and there are some serious music freaks here-something I look for to surround myself with. The AAJ is not very active, threads are often almost or totally forgotten which I find annoying. I am still getting to learn how to use this software. But I like it here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 I no longer visit AAJ--It appears to me that Michael and Clifton have a bad, arrogant attitude that tends to alienate posters. They also have itchy delete-button fingers that go beyond maintaining decorum and into the realm of censorship. AAJ has become a rather unpleasant place to be and it is increasingly attracting a trollish element. (...) Before leaving AAJ, I suggested to Michael and Clifton that they pay attention to the way Jim, et al handle the administration of Organissimo--I think it is exemplary. I should also, in fairness, mention that I think Michael's decision to allow Organissimo discussions and updates on AAJ during emergencies deserves applause. I couldn't agree more. Before I saw this post, I (not having anything better to do) was looking at AAJ and saw that Heaney thread and the self righteous attitude of the administrators. I was pretty disgusted at their attitude. What ever happened to free speech and lively discussion. I let them know it (it'll probably be deleted). They justify everything on the basis that "we have to grow AAJ." I have no goddamn idea what that means. Are they a corporation where they have to increase the profits. Sounds like Human Resources-speak to me. The whole tone, look and approach seems very stilted, even what they call forums ("Talk Jazz"). In a way it's condescending. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonic1 Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 Well, now maybe we know why they have so many members and so few posts... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EKE BBB Posted December 3, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 I have to agree with Brad. I don´t like the "sheriff-like" attitude moderators are showing on AAJ lately, in the name of "civilized discussion". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.A.W. Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 You will all get banned from AAJ for posting observations about AAJ here that are probably regarded as negative by Mike Ricci - at least that's what happened to me. B-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EKE BBB Posted December 3, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 You will all get banned from AAJ for posting observations about AAJ here that are probably regarded as negative by Mike Ricci - at least that's what happened to me. B-) So... have you been recently banned, Hans? I liked watching the covers you inserted in your posts on the "WAYLT?" thread !!! And it was specially interesting to discover whether they were 20-bit, 24-bit, TOCJ, UCCI or whatever rare Japanese issue! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EKE BBB Posted December 3, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 You will all get banned from AAJ for posting observations about AAJ here that are probably regarded as negative by Mike Ricci - at least that's what happened to me. B-) Just PM-ed Clifton to give him my impressions on this, the latest "controversy". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzmoose Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 Hans, are you serious? You actually got banned on one board for comments made on a different board?? That's got to be a first! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAL Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 You will all get banned from AAJ for posting observations about AAJ here that are probably regarded as negative by Mike Ricci - at least that's what happened to me. B-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.A.W. Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 Hans, are you serious? You actually got banned on one board for comments made on a different board?? That's got to be a first! Yep, I am serious, and I was banned for that reason - at least that's what Mike Ricci told me. No big deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.A.W. Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 And it was specially interesting to discover whether they were 20-bit, 24-bit, TOCJ, UCCI or whatever rare Japanese issue! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EKE BBB Posted December 3, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 And it was specially interesting to discover whether they were 20-bit, 24-bit, TOCJ, UCCI or whatever rare Japanese issue! Just a (bad?) joke, as many times you insert covers of Japanese editions, and you sell that kind of stuff in the "Offering and Looking for..." forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christiern Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 For the edification of anyone who might have caught my little rift with AAJ (more accurately a prominent troll at that site), you should know that Michael Ricci and I are in touch. While they have been a bit heavy-handed over there, they also have far more than a bulletin board to maintain. It is still a losing proposition (money-wise), supported by Michael's other business venture. It is easy for us to criticize, as I have done, but not always fair. Every board has its trolls and Heaney is a particularly pesky one--it would be easy to simply ban him, but he is also capable of contributing positively. The fact is that there [i[have been intelligent discussions on a Wynton thread, but Heaney inevitably pops in and tries to disrupt--so far, he has succeeded, but I think Michael and Marc simply need to tell him to lay off the personal insults and discuss Wynton and the J@LC operation rather than fawn beyond all reason upon them. The communication between Michael and I will not make me rush back to AAJ, but I hope it can at least clear the air. I think we all want to see the jazz boards succeed and our difference discussed amicably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 Chris, while you are talking to Mike ask why I am blocked (if you think of it). My email to him has gone unanswered. I am in no hurry to return, did not post much but want to know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christiern Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 Will do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregK Posted December 4, 2004 Report Share Posted December 4, 2004 It's AAJ's terrible loss to drive away guys with as much knowledge, insight and great memories/stories as Chris and Chuck. I know I have thoroughly enjoyed participating in discussions with and reading posts by them here, AAJ and BlueNote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christiern Posted December 4, 2004 Report Share Posted December 4, 2004 (edited) Thanks, GregK. I just had a good phone conversation with Michael Ricci. Chuck, you have not been barred, but there have been times when people couldn't sign on. Michael is going to check your access today. I won't go into details re our conversation, but I think I have a good understanding of what Michael and Marc are up against, and I will try to help, if I can. We tend to forget that the BBS is but a small part of AAJ, a terrific site that just keeps getting better, and keeping it all together is a time-consuming task. Part of the job is, of course, to see that we who post on the BBS don't get out of hand (and I'm guilty here, too), but that problem would be eliminated if we all made an effort to abide by the board's rules--doing so while maintaining civility will not restrict our freedom of expression. I am not saying anything here that we all don't already know, so let's just call it a reflection on the obvious. Edited December 4, 2004 by Christiern Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Posted December 4, 2004 Report Share Posted December 4, 2004 I don't make enough of an effort to check out AAJ, site or BBS so I will try to make the effort to at least check out the non BBS part of the site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghost of miles Posted December 4, 2004 Report Share Posted December 4, 2004 I no longer visit AAJ--It appears to me that Michael and Clifton have a bad, arrogant attitude that tends to alienate posters. They also have itchy delete-button fingers that go beyond maintaining decorum and into the realm of censorship. AAJ has become a rather unpleasant place to be and it is increasingly attracting a trollish element. (...) Before leaving AAJ, I suggested to Michael and Clifton that they pay attention to the way Jim, et al handle the administration of Organissimo--I think it is exemplary. I should also, in fairness, mention that I think Michael's decision to allow Organissimo discussions and updates on AAJ during emergencies deserves applause. I couldn't agree more. Before I saw this post, I (not having anything better to do) was looking at AAJ and saw that Heaney thread and the self righteous attitude of the administrators. I was pretty disgusted at their attitude. What ever happened to free speech and lively discussion. I let them know it (it'll probably be deleted). They justify everything on the basis that "we have to grow AAJ." I have no goddamn idea what that means. Are they a corporation where they have to increase the profits. Sounds like Human Resources-speak to me. The whole tone, look and approach seems very stilted, even what they call forums ("Talk Jazz"). In a way it's condescending. The ironic thing is--and I say this with admiration for what AAJ has done elsewhere on their board--that the current forum attitude is precisely what is discouraging growth at AAJ. IMHO, of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christiern Posted December 4, 2004 Report Share Posted December 4, 2004 Chuck, Michael tells me that the problem has been corrected. Your account had mistakenly been set to "unregistered." You are now "registered." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EKE BBB Posted December 29, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 29, 2004 Updated statistics as of December 29, 2004 12:30 AM GMT+1 - Central Europe hour Members: AAJ 4.603; Jazzcorner 2.269; Organissimo 936 Posts: Jazzcorner 276.244; Organissimo 261.504; AAJ 82.766 Threads: Organissimo 14.446; Jazzcorner 8.486; AAJ 6.633 Most users ever on-line: AAJ 247 (Dec 26th, 2004); Jazzcorner 120; Organissimo 76 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Alfredson Posted December 29, 2004 Report Share Posted December 29, 2004 We're small, but mighty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son-of-a-Weizen Posted December 29, 2004 Report Share Posted December 29, 2004 There should be a longest thread category......we've got that one covered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catesta Posted December 29, 2004 Report Share Posted December 29, 2004 We're small, but mighty. Word. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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