Chuck Nessa Posted December 31, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2005 Just a gentle reminder of how Concord has treated "their own" catalog. I do not believe their PR dept. I never really understood how Fantasy managed such a huge catalog of very slow selling titles. I still believe as inventories dwindle, much will go away. I heard rumors of a big lp "fire sale" recently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.A.W. Posted December 31, 2005 Report Share Posted December 31, 2005 My advice would be to grab as much as you can, while you can - I did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDK Posted December 31, 2005 Report Share Posted December 31, 2005 Just a gentle reminder of how Concord has treated "their own" catalog. I do not believe their PR dept. I never really understood how Fantasy managed such a huge catalog of very slow selling titles. I still believe as inventories dwindle, much will go away. I heard rumors of a big lp "fire sale" recently. But is this really any different from how most labels have handled their catalog over the years? I surely don't have to remind you, Chuck, of how many Blue Note or OJC labels titles were oop over the years on LP (let alone the myriad smaller labels). Heck, when I was discovering jazz in the early 80s, I had to hunt down oop Mingus for crissakes - and to me that's like making Shakespeare unavailable. Weren't deletions a necessary part of the business model, cutting the chaff as it were and opening up shelf space for new records? I can't help but think that we may have become spoiled somewhat by Fantasy's willingness (or ability) to keep everything in print. Don't get me wrong - like everyone else I think it will be unfortunate if Concord deletes titles, but are we expecting/presuming too much in thinking that they wouldn't/shouldn't? Or that perhaps Fantasy's decision to keep everything in print may have helped lead to the circumstances requiring them to sell out in the first place? Given the widely reported "low sales" of most jazz titles it's astounding that Fantasy was able to do what they did for so long and remain profitable. Even before the sale to Concord I figured it was only a matter of time before Fantasy made much of their catalog on-line only, per something like emusic or itunes. I certainly hope that Concord continues to keep the OJC titles in-print, but i find it curious that we expect them to do something that no other label - jazz or otherwise - has managed to do with their respective back catalogs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted December 31, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2005 Just a gentle reminder of how Concord has treated "their own" catalog. I do not believe their PR dept. I never really understood how Fantasy managed such a huge catalog of very slow selling titles. I still believe as inventories dwindle, much will go away. I heard rumors of a big lp "fire sale" recently. But is this really any different from how most labels have handled their catalog over the years? I surely don't have to remind you, Chuck, of how many Blue Note or OJC labels titles were oop over the years on LP (let alone the myriad smaller labels). Heck, when I was discovering jazz in the early 80s, I had to hunt down oop Mingus for crissakes - and to me that's like making Shakespeare unavailable. Weren't deletions a necessary part of the business model, cutting the chaff as it were and opening up shelf space for new records? I can't help but think that we may have become spoiled somewhat by Fantasy's willingness (or ability) to keep everything in print. Don't get me wrong - like everyone else I think it will be unfortunate if Concord deletes titles, but are we expecting/presuming too much in thinking that they wouldn't/shouldn't? Or that perhaps Fantasy's decision to keep everything in print may have helped lead to the circumstances requiring them to sell out in the first place? Given the widely reported "low sales" of most jazz titles it's astounding that Fantasy was able to do what they did for so long and remain profitable. Even before the sale to Concord I figured it was only a matter of time before Fantasy made much of their catalog on-line only, per something like emusic or itunes. I certainly hope that Concord continues to keep the OJC titles in-print, but i find it curious that we expect them to do something that no other label - jazz or otherwise - has managed to do with their respective back catalogs. What don't you understand when I said "I never really understood how Fantasy managed such a huge catalog of very slow selling titles"? The terrible situation of you hunting Mingus titles in the early '80s had me in friggin' tears. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mailman Posted December 31, 2005 Report Share Posted December 31, 2005 Just a gentle reminder of how Concord has treated "their own" catalog. I do not believe their PR dept. I never really understood how Fantasy managed such a huge catalog of very slow selling titles. I still believe as inventories dwindle, much will go away. I heard rumors of a big lp "fire sale" recently. But is this really any different from how most labels have handled their catalog over the years? I surely don't have to remind you, Chuck, of how many Blue Note or OJC labels titles were oop over the years on LP (let alone the myriad smaller labels). Heck, when I was discovering jazz in the early 80s, I had to hunt down oop Mingus for crissakes - and to me that's like making Shakespeare unavailable. Weren't deletions a necessary part of the business model, cutting the chaff as it were and opening up shelf space for new records? I can't help but think that we may have become spoiled somewhat by Fantasy's willingness (or ability) to keep everything in print. Don't get me wrong - like everyone else I think it will be unfortunate if Concord deletes titles, but are we expecting/presuming too much in thinking that they wouldn't/shouldn't? Or that perhaps Fantasy's decision to keep everything in print may have helped lead to the circumstances requiring them to sell out in the first place? Given the widely reported "low sales" of most jazz titles it's astounding that Fantasy was able to do what they did for so long and remain profitable. Even before the sale to Concord I figured it was only a matter of time before Fantasy made much of their catalog on-line only, per something like emusic or itunes. I certainly hope that Concord continues to keep the OJC titles in-print, but i find it curious that we expect them to do something that no other label - jazz or otherwise - has managed to do with their respective back catalogs. What don't you understand when I said "I never really understood how Fantasy managed such a huge catalog of very slow selling titles"? The terrible situation of you hunting Mingus titles in the early '80s had me in friggin' tears. When I first started listening to jazz in the mid 1960s there was very little Charlie Parker in print. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefan Wood Posted June 19, 2007 Report Share Posted June 19, 2007 Up, I have been buying a bunch of $3.99 cds and up on the Amazon resellers. I'm amazed at what is no longer available, now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kh1958 Posted June 19, 2007 Report Share Posted June 19, 2007 Up, I have been buying a bunch of $3.99 cds and up on the Amazon resellers. I'm amazed at what is no longer available, now. I bought a used copy of Johnny Griffin's Return of the Griffin locally, and checked on amazon.com to find that the only copy for sale cost $97. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghost of miles Posted June 19, 2007 Report Share Posted June 19, 2007 Many of the 2nd-tier (in name recognition only--in other words, the non-Trane/Miles/Bill Evans OJCs) are vanishing fast...I got much of what I wanted back in Dec. 2005 but am busily trying to fill in a few gaps. No way I'll be able to get everything that's still on my OJC wishlist, but consider myself lucky to have what I already do. Wonder how many of these will potentially ever see the light of day as Japanese imports...just got a newly-reissued Ernie Henry that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefan Wood Posted June 19, 2007 Report Share Posted June 19, 2007 A lot of Willis Jacksons are going or gone, Lem Winchester, etc. To think a lot of us took our time, because the cds were always available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalo Posted June 20, 2007 Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 Up, I have been buying a bunch of $3.99 cds and up on the Amazon resellers. I'm amazed at what is no longer available, now. I hate to give away a trade secret, but check out Newbury Comics... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul secor Posted June 20, 2007 Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 I think we should anticipate a gutting of the Fantasy catalog, therefore a buying guide of likely deletions is in order. I could list around 200 titles but will start with one likely to be missed: Hal Singer Blue Stompin' with Charlie Shavers, Ray Bryant, Wendell Marshall and Osie Johnson. This is a fantastic recording I've enjoyed for 30+ years. I pulled it out tonight to play and this thread dawned on me. Please list your recommendations. Looks like someone was prescient. At least he hasn't said, "I told you so." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghost of miles Posted June 20, 2007 Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 Up, I have been buying a bunch of $3.99 cds and up on the Amazon resellers. I'm amazed at what is no longer available, now. I hate to give away a trade secret, but check out Newbury Comics... D'oh! Kalo is right... I've harvested quite a few titles from there of late. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewHill Posted June 20, 2007 Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 Just saw that Sonny Simmon's Burning Spirits is OOP now. What a great set. And this one was just released within the last four years or so. At least Firebirds is still here...for now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son-of-a-Weizen Posted June 20, 2007 Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 As people are thinking big, don't forget alldirect. "Regular" OJCs are $8.65, the limiteds $10.68. Free shipping over $99. I put in an order for 19 discs mentioned in this thread last night. (My 1st multi-emoticon-in-a-row post, but in this case it's warranted.) And hey, if they don't go OOP, I've improved my quality of life sooner than later. (Who knows, maybe when the new owners see the sales figures for December maybe they'll think it's normal and keep the titles in print. I know, wishful thinking.) So AllDirect has gone in the tank as well now, eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted June 20, 2007 Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 I just let out some deep moans and sighs and hit the button to order a dozen OJCs from my want list at amazon.de - about one fourth of what's on the list, but some titles are already offered at ridiculous prices. Back to the second hand shops and markets, I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.A.W. Posted June 20, 2007 Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 So AllDirect has gone in the tank as well now, eh? Yep, last year if I remember correctly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefan Wood Posted June 20, 2007 Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 Up, I have been buying a bunch of $3.99 cds and up on the Amazon resellers. I'm amazed at what is no longer available, now. I hate to give away a trade secret, but check out Newbury Comics... D'oh! Kalo is right... I've harvested quite a few titles from there of late. That's the place! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Late Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 Cal Tjader Plays Jazz, with Brew Moore, is a nice OJC that doesn't seem to get too much mentioning. It's a good one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted June 21, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 Up, I have been buying a bunch of $3.99 cds and up on the Amazon resellers. I'm amazed at what is no longer available, now. I hate to give away a trade secret, but check out Newbury Comics... D'oh! Kalo is right... I've harvested quite a few titles from there of late. That's the place! While you have to factor in the different shipping charges, many times discs from Newbury are often cheaper via the Amazon site. I always compare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.A.W. Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 Cal Tjader Plays Jazz, with Brew Moore, is a nice OJC that doesn't seem to get too much mentioning. It's a good one. Just to make a search a bit easier: the actual title of this album is Tjader Plays Tjazz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghost of miles Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 Up, I have been buying a bunch of $3.99 cds and up on the Amazon resellers. I'm amazed at what is no longer available, now. I hate to give away a trade secret, but check out Newbury Comics... D'oh! Kalo is right... I've harvested quite a few titles from there of late. That's the place! While you have to factor in the different shipping charges, many times discs from Newbury are often cheaper via the Amazon site. I always compare. Chuck's right--I've always bought through the Amazon site (be sure to use Organissimo as your search portal). It's almost always cheaper than buying directly from Newbury (unless, like Kalo, you happen to live nearby). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted October 8, 2007 Report Share Posted October 8, 2007 I really need to be better about picking up some of these while they're still cheap. My vinyl fetish takes over and sometimes I forget about the music ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted October 9, 2007 Report Share Posted October 9, 2007 Yeah, that's a good one. Think I got my vinyl of that for around $5! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indestructible! Posted October 9, 2007 Report Share Posted October 9, 2007 houston person-legends of acid jazz (have been avoiding these ones as the packaging is embarassing if i have friends or girls over and they see me listening to one of the CDs... Cheers, Shane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Late Posted February 18, 2008 Report Share Posted February 18, 2008 Up for Christmas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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