cannonball-addict Posted November 27, 2004 Report Posted November 27, 2004 Yes. There are questions as to whether some of these guys can really be called jazz singers. And please vote honestly. I didn't include Joe Williams, Andy Bey, Jimmy Scott, Jon Hendricks because these guys don't deserve to be bashed. Quote
pryan Posted November 27, 2004 Report Posted November 27, 2004 What a dumb idea for a thread; focus on the positive, don't be such a pessimist. I may not like some of the posted vocalists, but I still respect them for the courage they have of trying to make it as jazz musicians. There's many better things to discuss. You obviously have too much time on your hands. I won't give you the satisfaction of participating in the poll. Quote
7/4 Posted November 27, 2004 Report Posted November 27, 2004 Keith's humming hamster Yeah? Well I wish he'd keep it in his pants. Quote
cannonball-addict Posted November 27, 2004 Author Report Posted November 27, 2004 What a dumb idea for a thread; focus on the positive, don't be such a pessimist. I may not like some of the posted vocalists, but I still respect them for the courage they have of trying to make it as jazz musicians. There's many better things to discuss. You obviously have too much time on your hands. I won't give you the satisfaction of participating in the poll. Come on. All the guys I listed are making loads of money and they deserve a little if not a lot of heckling. Matt Quote
Dan Gould Posted November 27, 2004 Report Posted November 27, 2004 What a dumb idea for a thread; focus on the positive, don't be such a pessimist. I may not like some of the posted vocalists, but I still respect them for the courage they have of trying to make it as jazz musicians. There's many better things to discuss. You obviously have too much time on your hands. I won't give you the satisfaction of participating in the poll. Come on. All the guys I listed are making loads of money and they deserve a little if not a lot of heckling. Matt BULLSHIT. Kevin Mahogany is a fine, fine singer. You may question some of the material he's chosen to sing lately (though personally I enjoyed the vast majority of his Motown album) but he's still a damn good jazz singer. I am seriously disappointed and amazed at some of your recent statements, like Hutcherson being a terrible vibist, and now this BULLSHIT. Quote
connoisseur series500 Posted November 27, 2004 Report Posted November 27, 2004 I voted for "other" because I'm not really familiar with most of these singers. Actually, I don't mind a thread here or there which might "bash" some musicians. We've got to be objective. Can't praise every thing. Quote
pryan Posted November 27, 2004 Report Posted November 27, 2004 What a dumb idea for a thread; focus on the positive, don't be such a pessimist. I may not like some of the posted vocalists, but I still respect them for the courage they have of trying to make it as jazz musicians. There's many better things to discuss. You obviously have too much time on your hands. I won't give you the satisfaction of participating in the poll. Come on. All the guys I listed are making loads of money and they deserve a little if not a lot of heckling. Matt No, certain NBA players deserve 'heckling', if you really want to heckle someone. Just b/c they're 'making lots of money', doesn't mean you should automatically dis them. Miles and Duke and Pops and Trane and many others made lots of dough. Should we heckle them? I think you know the answer. Get a life and save the BS for another board, far, far, away. Quote
7/4 Posted November 27, 2004 Report Posted November 27, 2004 I voted for "other" because I'm not really familiar with most of these singers. Actually, I don't mind a thread here or there which might "bash" some musicians. We've got to be objective. Can't praise every thing. It just sounds like you're cranking up your post count. Quote
connoisseur series500 Posted November 27, 2004 Report Posted November 27, 2004 I voted for "other" because I'm not really familiar with most of these singers. Actually, I don't mind a thread here or there which might "bash" some musicians. We've got to be objective. Can't praise every thing. It just sounds like you're cranking up your post count. Not at all. I am supporting the concept of "negative jazz threads." I've always try to say something, 7/4 unlike some people around here... Check the history of my post counts and you'll see how "important" it is to me. I used to be in the top 10 for a long time. I really don't care where I rank. Quote
cannonball-addict Posted November 27, 2004 Author Report Posted November 27, 2004 Dan, I'd like you to tell me if you honestly can defend any of the other guys on that list. Connick and Cincotti are a disgrace and the fact that they and the labels are making a killing off selling repackaged Sinatra is total BULLSHIT. Elling is full of himself and is successful because he looks good and has good audience rapport. His pitch is wretched and his vocalese could use a LOT of work. I agree maybe I went a little overboard with Mahogany but it's certainly not because of the R&B thing. I've seen him live. Have you? He's cheesy as hell and brings nothing original to the table, whereas Bey, Hendricks, Williams, and Scott are the originals of male jazz vocals. I've yet to see someone come close to any of these guys except for Gege Telesforo, who was introduced to me in BFT 19 by Mike Weil. Matt Quote
sidewinder Posted November 27, 2004 Report Posted November 27, 2004 Mr humalong Jarrett by a mile... Quote
pryan Posted November 27, 2004 Report Posted November 27, 2004 There's actually a number of MFs on that list, so I don't know what you're getting at. Quote
7/4 Posted November 27, 2004 Report Posted November 27, 2004 I voted for "other" because I'm not really familiar with most of these singers. Actually, I don't mind a thread here or there which might "bash" some musicians. We've got to be objective. Can't praise every thing. It just sounds like you're cranking up your post count. Not at all. I am supporting the concept of "negative jazz threads." I've always try to say something, 7/4 unlike some people around here... Check the history of my post counts and you'll see how "important" it is to me. I used to be in the top 10 for a long time. I really don't care where I rank. Conn, methinks you doth protest too much. Quote
ghost of miles Posted November 27, 2004 Report Posted November 27, 2004 I cast my vote for Nick the Lounge Singer: Quote
connoisseur series500 Posted November 27, 2004 Report Posted November 27, 2004 I cast my vote for Nick the Lounge Singer: Hey, I've got all his cds... Quote
Uncle Skid Posted November 27, 2004 Report Posted November 27, 2004 I cast my vote for Nick the Lounge Singer: "Star Wars, give me them Star Wars" "Did Darth Vader scare you... as much as he scared me?" Quote
Shrdlu Posted November 27, 2004 Report Posted November 27, 2004 Here's a beauty for you: get ahold of a very old Duke Ellington recording, circa 1929, called "I Can't Realize You Love Me". That vocal is like the old Goon Show on the radio in the U.K. in the 50s. Even allowing for the style of the time, ... Quote
mikeweil Posted November 27, 2004 Report Posted November 27, 2004 Yes. There are questions as to whether some of these guys can really be called jazz singers. Instrumentalists singing/Humming/grunting along can/should not be called jazz singers. Besides that, I don't mind if they do - Jarrett would be a lot more boring to me if he didn't .... The one singer that always makes me wish someone would have stuffed his mouth with a stocking at the session is Milt Jackson. Simply horrifying. Terrible vibrato. Urghh!!! Quote
Brad Posted November 27, 2004 Report Posted November 27, 2004 What a dumb idea for a thread; focus on the positive, don't be such a pessimist. I may not like some of the posted vocalists, but I still respect them for the courage they have of trying to make it as jazz musicians. There's many better things to discuss. You obviously have too much time on your hands. I won't give you the satisfaction of participating in the poll. Come on. All the guys I listed are making loads of money and they deserve a little if not a lot of heckling. Matt BULLSHIT. Kevin Mahogany is a fine, fine singer. You may question some of the material he's chosen to sing lately (though personally I enjoyed the vast majority of his Motown album) but he's still a damn good jazz singer. I am seriously disappointed and amazed at some of your recent statements, like Hutcherson being a terrible vibist, and now this BULLSHIT. I don't like negativity either and I didn't see your post or thread about Hutcherson being a terrible vibist but if you think that and haven't experienced Bobby in his many settings, then I have serious doubts about your ability as a listener. Quote
Z-Man Posted November 28, 2004 Report Posted November 28, 2004 I didn't vote, because I don't really see the point of "who do you hate" type threads. I must say, however, that those Foxwoods commercials that John Pizzarelli does rank right up there with the most insipid and embarrasing moments in jazz. Quote
Bill Nelson Posted November 28, 2004 Report Posted November 28, 2004 Of course, it's a pointless thread topic and it demeans us all but... With the exception of Mark Murphy, I haven't heard any of these other charlatans and poseurs to the the throne. Is there a suggestion I suffer these other fools gladly to pick the worst one? BTW, Mark Murphy is very legit and a real survivor in a field of top-drawer vocalists which has diminished rapidly these last few years i.e., Joe Williams, Jackie Paris, Mel Torme. Quote
marcoliv Posted November 28, 2004 Report Posted November 28, 2004 this was a no-brainer for me, Pizzarelly by far!!!!! Kevin Mahogany is very good in my opinion as a singer. i should admit that i still have some early Connick on my shelves... Marcus Quote
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