The New Release Market Is Saturated

[.:.impossible]

I've been thinking recently that there are just too many CDs being released every week. Seen an issue of Cadence lately? Who are these people and why do they think it is necessary to put out so many albums? The market is so saturated it is daunting. How many music DVDs are released every week? I turned some people on to Mal Waldron this week with the Vanguard DVD and it dawned on me... people like to watch people making music as much as they like to listen. I'm hoping more artists stick their neck out and release live DVDs. I can't imagine the production cost could be too high in this day and age. Burn on demand even...

Organissimo, would you guys consider putting out a DVD? It doesn't seem like many of us will get a chance to see you guys live any time soon. I don't have any research, but I think there is an emerging market in this format. I'm not talking about making the next Stop Making Sense. Even studio footage would be nice. Of course, I'm not just talking Organissimo here. Thoughts?

[Jim Alfredson]

That's a very interesting concept. And not hard to do with today's technology. In fact, that's one of the things that's gotten us in this mess to begin with... cheap technology. The great thing is that anybody nowadays can release a CD. The bad thing is that anyone nowadays can release a CD!

I happen to work for a video production company in a freelance role, so I have access to all that stuff. I will definately give the DVD idea some serious thought. We have footage of us performing on a local cable access show that is actually really good footage and the idea of putting in some studio footage is a good idea as well.

Hmmm..... this could be cool....

[.:.impossible]

THAT'S what I'm talking about! Jim Alfredson makin' it HAPPEN!

[.:.impossible]

P.S. Its just too bad you look like a fucking dork. I couldn't resist. That is a funny fucking story... lol

[Jim Alfredson]

P.S. Its just too bad you look like a fucking dork. I couldn't resist. That is a funny fucking story... lol

Yeah, maybe I can make myself look cooler in After Effects or something...

Actually, in the cable access footage, I'm wearing some bad shades! B-)

[PHILLYQ]

That's a very interesting concept. And not hard to do with today's technology. In fact, that's one of the things that's gotten us in this mess to begin with... cheap technology. The great thing is that anybody nowadays can release a CD. The bad thing is that anyone nowadays can release a CD!

I happen to work for a video production company in a freelance role, so I have access to all that stuff. I will definately give the DVD idea some serious thought. We have footage of us performing on a local cable access show that is actually really good footage and the idea of putting in some studio footage is a good idea as well.

Hmmm..... this could be cool....

I'll buy it- you could make it a special package with an Organissimo t-shirt added!

[Chuck Nessa]

Now, if we can add "smell-o-rama" we can get the kids under 10 - yeah, that's the ticket.

[alankin]

Now, if we can add "smell-o-rama" we can get the kids under 10 - yeah, that's the ticket.

Nothing like the stale beer and cigarettes odor...

[Jim Alfredson]

Now, if we can add "smell-o-rama" we can get the kids under 10 - yeah, that's the ticket.

Nothing like the stale beer and cigarettes odor...

Maybe I'll cut off and include a piece of my organ moving cover in a limited edition CD/DVD combo. That thing has about 7 years worth of stanky cigs and beer odor in it that'll give enjoyment for a lifetime!

[Tjazz]

Yeah, DVDs are the way to go.

My friend who's into Springsteen says they are already trading boots on DVD, instead of CDRs now.

Personal DVD recorders can be purchased for $250 and less. People are transferring their VHS tapes to DVD.

Edited November 24, 2004 by Tjazz

[mikeweil]

Hmmm..... this could be cool....

Put me on the subscribers' list!!!

How about some guest appearances on a studio gig, by the Turbanator, among others?

[.:.impossible]

Update?

[Guy Berger]

I vote against DVDs -- I can't watch them while I'm driving in my car or working on a project.

Guy

[.:.impossible]

I vote against DVDs -- I can't watch them while I'm driving in my car or working on a project.

Guy

Yet I see drivers watching them up and down I-95 all the time. Crazy.

[Claude]

I don't agree entirely with the idea. If DVDs were the way to go for the music industry, they would already have released many more of them.

Music DVDs are nice (I have about 50 jazz and 20 classical DVDs), but the interest in a live film is often gone after the first viewing. After that, it's only the music that's relevant. I'm inclined to buy many CDs with an artist I like, but one or two DVDs from that artist is enough. I like to see how a jazz musician plays, but I don't need to see it all the time I listen to his music.

So I would rather suggest adding a bonus live DVD to CD releases, because the CD is what people use the most. A DVD-only release would have the problem that people cannot listen to it in the car, and - even more important - that people cannot easily copy the music onto their iPod.

As far as jazz goes, I would like to see more releases like the Jazz Icons series, with interesting and high quality historic footage. But videos of live recordings of current musicians are much less relevant to me. I've been taping a lot of concerts from TV stations, but I rarely watch them again.

Edited December 21, 2006 by Claude

[GregK]

I vote against DVDs -- I can't watch them while I'm driving in my car or working on a project.

Guy

[Joe G]

No DVD plans for us at the moment (merry Christmas, GregK and Guy! ); we're working toward a studio session in the spring.

[.:.impossible]

Good news! Early Spring? Late Spring? Fall?

[bertrand]

Will the new record include 'The Yodel'?

Bertrand.

[AllenLowe]

problem is, as far as I am concerned, too much is recorded by good musicians who cannot sustain the volume of music they are trying to sustain with original composition - few jazz musicians today can compose enough pieces of interest to fill a CD, and it shows in release after release, to my way of thinking (or, really, hearing) - of course, I say this as someone who is about to release a 2-cd set with about 30 of my compositions - of course, I haven't recorded anything in over 10 years, so it is cumulative -

as someone said recently, recording an album used to be like writing a book - now it's a like producing a business card. And because musicians have discovered that they can bring in some cash by publishing their own songs, they tend to use only original work. And by doing this they don't have to pay mechanicals -

so it is a problem, I think, with several causes -

Edited December 21, 2006 by AllenLowe

[Jim Alfredson]

Good news! Early Spring? Late Spring? Fall?

Session in April, disc out in late summer, hopefully. I would like to include a DVD of some concert footage, maybe some studio stuff as well, but we'll see. It seems we're perpetually in debt and adding a DVD is just another couple thousand in the hole.

[.:.impossible]

problem is, as far as I am concerned, too much is recorded by good musicians who cannot sustain the volume of music they are trying to sustain with original composition - few jazz musicians today can compose enough pieces of interest to fill a CD, and it shows in release after release, to my way of thinking (or, really, hearing) - of course, I say this as someone who is about to release a 2-cd set with about 30 of my compositions - of course, I haven't recorded anything in over 10 years, so it is cumulative -

as someone said recently, recording an album used to be like writing a book - now it's a like producing a business card. And because musicians have discovered that they can bring in some cash by publishing their own songs, they tend to use only original work. And by doing this they don't have to pay mechanicals -

so it is a problem, I think, with several causes -

Man, this is one of my points in the 21st thread...

[.:.impossible]

Good news! Early Spring? Late Spring? Fall?

Session in April, disc out in late summer, hopefully. I would like to include a DVD of some concert footage, maybe some studio stuff as well, but we'll see. It seems we're perpetually in debt and adding a DVD is just another couple thousand in the hole.

Looking forward to it, whatever you decide to release!

[Dan Gould]

Good news! Early Spring? Late Spring? Fall?

Session in April, disc out in late summer, hopefully. I would like to include a DVD of some concert footage, maybe some studio stuff as well, but we'll see. It seems we're perpetually in debt and adding a DVD is just another couple thousand in the hole.

Wasn't the plan for a live album? Or did it turn out that you didn't have enough topnotch stuff?

[porcy62]

I don't agree entirely with the idea. If DVDs were the way to go for the music industry, they would already have released many more of them.

Music DVDs are nice (I have about 50 jazz and 20 classical DVDs), but the interest in a live film is often gone after the first viewing. After that, it's only the music that's relevant. I'm inclined to buy many CDs with an artist I like, but one or two DVDs from that artist is enough. I like to see how a jazz musician plays, but I don't need to see it all the time I listen to his music.

So I would rather suggest adding a bonus live DVD to CD releases, because the CD is what people use the most. A DVD-only release would have the problem that people cannot listen to it in the car, and - even more important - that people cannot easily copy the music onto their iPod.

As far as jazz goes, I would like to see more releases like the Jazz Icons series, with interesting and high quality historic footage. But videos of live recordings of current musicians are much less relevant to me. I've been taping a lot of concerts from TV stations, but I rarely watch them again.

I warmly agree. And I would add some points.

Firts point is that most people are often too lazy to move their asses for going at gigs. I like to be there, not to watch a DVD! Of course I would like to see high quality historic footage, but frankly with all the todays major and minor artists always on tour, I find DVD quite useless, more I find it dangerous. How many of you guys felt in love with jazz at live gigs? I still remember my cosmic revelation with the Arkestra in late seventie's! Live gigs are thrill, a musical dvd is only a tv programs among others

Often I was much more impressed by visual ideas and aspects then by the music itself.

DVD would be okay for major rock and pop music, though I usually didn't pay the extra price for the CD/DVD combo when I can buy the cd only.

Obviously I could understand the benefit in term of promotion and the economic aspects, if they really exist.

I mean that a sexy clip of Beyonce or Madonna could be a good card to play with teenagers, but I think Jim should have to use some more sophisticated software then After Effect to reach the same results. With all respect, obviously.

I don't know if a Dvd is the way to get for reaching people outside jazz lovers, a part Diana Krall, Norah Jones, ecc.

How was the title of that song? Video kills the jazz stars?

Edited December 22, 2006 by porcy62