Joe Pass Mosaic Set

[JohnS]

I've been thinking about buying this for a while. I just need a little persuading that I want this enough to click the buy now button.

[Stefan Wood]

I found it to be very dull. If you like Joe Pass, sure, but this was a rare Mosaic where I thought it was a bit too much.

[pryan]

Can't comment on the set as a whole, but that FOR DJANGO Lp is da shit. Listen to the clips; it's top shelf Pass, IMO. I'm going to probably get this sometime in the new year when I have some $$$ saved up. Get it and tell me what I'm missing out on.

[Brad]

I'm with Stefan on this. There are some good performances on there but it's not the most exciting Mosaic that you can get. As the saying goes, a little goes a long way. I'd probably hold off until they put it which I don't think will be for several years.

[pryan]

I don't understand the hesitancy. Get it now and savor the set for a lifetime. You're going to like it if you are a Pass fan. You can't not like Joe Pass, IMO. He's one of my favorites, period. Genius, beautiful, fluid, emotional solos everytime out. Don't wait, this one's a keeper, I'm sure of it.

[Alfred]

Dull?

I like this one. "Catch me" is a brilliant session and some of the unreleased material is 1st class (especially the March 28, 1963 & June 1, 1964 dates). "For Django" is a jazz guitar masterpiece. You need this box!

[Tjazz]

If you can't make up your mind, bid on the ebay set. It'll probably sell for less than the retail price.

[Stefan Wood]

For Django is a GREAT session. However, I felt there was a "sameness" to the music in the other sessions in the box -- rhythm, tone, etc. I fell asleep listening to this set. I like the Johnny Smith, Django, and especially Tal Farlow boxes for my guitar fixes. John, if you heard his stuff and dig it, by all means go for it. It ain't my cup of tea.

[Bill Nelson]

The box set is NOT ESSENTIAL unless you are a Joe Pass fanatic. The 'sameness' refers to his 'almost-nylon' string sound and his solo runs up the neck and nearly identical way of resolving them.

You've got Joe covered if you own vinyl copies of:

The Complete 'Catch Me' Sessions 1963, (LT-1053)

'For Django' 1964 (LN-10132)

'Joy Spring' 1964 (LT-1103

"Simplicity', 1967 (WPS-21865)

'Intercontinental', 1973 (MPS-20738)

'Tudo Bem', 1978 (Pablo 2310-824)

I've seen him perform live twice (once in duo with Jim Hall). As I don't play guitar, I really don't have an axe to grind. And I don't need the Mosaic box.

[JohnS]

Thanks for the input everyone. I think I'm going to pass on it. I have Catch Me and For Django on vinyl and the Joy Spring cd. I can probably do without the box.

[Alfred]

Thanks for the input everyone.  I think I'm going to pass on it.  I have Catch Me and For Django on vinyl and the Joy Spring cd.  I can probably do without the box.

Well, that's why I do not work in the Sales department!!! -_-

[mikeweil]

One question: in the Tom Lord disco there are footnotes that Clare Fischer claimed he did not play on several sessions he is credited for - anybody knows more detailas, is this found only in the Mosaic booklet?

[mjzee]

4 hours ago, mikeweil said:

One question: in the Tom Lord disco there are footnotes that Clare Fischer claimed he did not play on several sessions he is credited for - anybody knows more detailas, is this found only in the Mosaic booklet?

I have the Pass Mosaic.  Here are the sessions with Clare Fischer: 

1/30/63, 2/4/63, "probably February 1963," 7/18/63, 7/29/63 - all resulting in PJ ST-73, "Catch Me."

I saw no mention in Kirk Silsbee's notes of Fischer not playing on several sessions he is credited for.

[mikeweil]

According to Lord, "Clare Fischer claims  he was not on these titles" - he put this note below the "probably February 1963" and the February 4, 1963 sessions.

[mjzee]

3 hours ago, mikeweil said:

According to Lord, "Clare Fischer claims  he was not on these titles" - he put this note below the "probably February 1963" and the February 4, 1963 sessions.

From Silsbee's notes: Re "Mood Indigo" (from 2/4/63): "After Fischer moves his solo into waltz time, Pass brings the tune into blues territory."  Re "The Night Has A Thousand Eyes" (from "probably February 1963"): "Fisher seems to decline the solo space offered to him on TNHATE so Pass burns brightly without being flashy."  Also, after the "Album Index" section in the booklet, it says "Special thanks to Les McCann, Clare Fischer, John Pisano, Russ Wapensky and the Institute of Jazz Studies."

[mikeweil]

Strange - either someone working for Lord misread the session notes from the Mosaic booklet, or he has some other source. I trust Mosaic a bit more. Thanks for your input!

I'll get me a copy, 'cause I like early Pass the best, his attack and drive, e.g. on the Groove Holmes sessions for Pacific Jazz, and I like Fischer and Les McCann, and think Pass brought an intereresting aspect to McCann's approach. 

[mjzee]

And don't forget the live Joy Spring session - pretty hot!

[romualdo]

On 2/13/2016 at 10:48 PM, mikeweil said:

One question: in the Tom Lord disco there are footnotes that Clare Fischer claimed he did not play on several sessions he is credited for - anybody knows more detailas, is this found only in the Mosaic booklet?

Check this link

http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~ux5t-oois/records.html

find Catch Me  (1963) then click on Details then at very bottom of this page click on Please Check at #20-1 to get info on Mosaic set 

I think this is the information I gave Tom a few years back to update the Pass discography

BTW what is the version of Lord you are using?

Edited February 15, 2016 by romualdo

[mjzee]

Could James Harrod add something to the discussion?

[JamesAHarrod]

Can't add much. The AFM contract lists Fischer, and tune detail. After reducing contract jpeg size to 84kb still getting "file too large" message. Unable to attach.

Jim

 

Edited February 16, 2016 by JamesAHarrod
Add contract jpeg

[mikeweil]

4 hours ago, romualdo said:

BTW what is the version of Lord you are using?

I have an online subscription of the Lord Disco.

Thanks for the link!

[romualdo]

8 hours ago, mikeweil said:

I have an online subscription of the Lord Disco.

Thanks for the link!

I'd say Tom has indeed updated the discography from this information

[mikeweil]

Yes, that's what I thought, too, after reading through the pages on that Joe Pass Discography site.

Edited February 16, 2016 by mikeweil

[mikeweil]

Now that I have the Mosaic box and listened to the "Catch Me" sessions repeatedly, I can't think of any other pianist but Fischer in 1963 in California who played like this. 

[JSngry]

I would buy a decently priced used CD reissue of Stones Jazz. Contrary to whatever, it does not suck, at least not all of it!

 

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