BFT #20 - discussion

[mmilovan]

Today, all the discs have been sent. Thanks everyone for their kind offers for distribution help, I decided to do this myself. Anyway thank you again.

Now, I think that our discussion will be more concentrate on meditation and impressions about particular tracks than on guessing game, I think this should be the easiest BFT to guess untill now.

[catesta]

I think this should be the easiest BFT to guess untill now.

[couw]

I will be meditating till the disk arrives.

[Jim R]

I think that our discussion will be more concentrate on meditation and impressions about particular tracks than on guessing game, I think this should be the easiest BFT to guess untill now.

Sounds like a nice change of pace. Looking forward to it.

[Big Al]

I think this should be the easiest BFT to guess untill now.

Oh yeah? Wait'll I wrap my cluelessness around it! You'll feel like a jazz genius after my guesses are posted!

[mmilovan]

I will be meditating till the disk arrives.

Also, you can feel deeply impressed

[mikeweil]

I will be meditating till the disk arrives.

Shhh --- is he still at it?

[mmilovan]

OK, we (our little community) have 28+1 subscribers so far.

This is just some data for those who care for statistics.

[couw]

OK, we (our little community) have 28+1 subscribers so far.

This is just some data for those who care for statistics.

probably 28+2, I just mailed another copy out today.

[mmilovan]

Many thanks.

BTW, is it in coordination with the rules of BFT to put some theme, moto, whatsoever to our BFT #20?

Or shall I leave it blank for members to guess?

Edited November 23, 2004 by mmilovan

[Dan Gould]

If there was a theme then people should be guessing it.

[mikeweil]

Thank you so much Milan for this fabulous anthology - the best of this era I have ever heard! Great programming and even better selections. Excellent musicianship throughout. Wish I had more time right now but I am working on something with a strict December 1 deadline limiting my listening time - so I will comment only on tracks where I recognize some. I will participate in the impressions discussion as soon as I find the time. The usual disclaimers apply.

I will get back to spinning this for sure - many many times.

Track 1: What an enjoyable opener - had me dancing back to my computer.

Certainly not Miller's mood! I heard some more serious jazz band version like this many years ago but can't remember.

Track 5: If that isn't Bird playing Star Eyes I will eat my tie! Is that from the Benedetti recordings (because of the fadeout)?

Track 6: Prez? Sounds like an informal jam on Don't Be That Way. Marvellous!!! I want this!!!

Track 7: Excellent brushwork!!! I know that tune Oh yes, that must be a Ray Bryant tune played in drummer Jo Jones' trio (Splittin'?). Maybe I have that one somewhere.

Track 8: Benny Goodman live? with Hampton? but I dare say this is not Charlie Christian.

Track 9: Wild! They sure were havin' a helluva time! Though the drummer sounds a little stiff to these ears.

Track 10: I'd say Lady Day. Don't recognize the band, don't have time to investigate.

Track 11: Four Brothers. Woody's band? Would have to compare.

Track 15: I know that voice, but can't remember right now ... arrgh!

Track 16. Louis Jordan moving to the outskirts of town.

Track 20: Oop Bop Sh'Bam - but a little too pedestrian for Dizzy's band - and he would never have let his trombone player solo first! Oh - Gene Ammons on tenor - yes this is Mr. B.'s band!

Track 21: Maxine Sullivan. Straight and sweet - but I don't have this one; I like her very much.

Track 22: Kay Penton!!!! my favourite bop era singer!!!! A big hug for Milan! This is from a Dameron band session (Savoy?). I wish there were more than these 8 sides I found so far. I LOVE this singer!!!

Thanks again for this wonderful compilation - your collection must be the Belgrade Jazz Archive!

p.s. edited to correct a smiley

Edited November 28, 2004 by mikeweil

[mikeweil]

Didn't know I'd be the first - more elaborate comments to follow, as I said.

A theme? Hmmm - is this all from the 1940's? In any case, that was a fascinating time and scene!

[tooter]

“Easy”? My foot!! (Archaic expression unfamiliar to most?) - not for me anyway. But the music did keep the said foot tapping away. I have almost no music like this in my collection so I can only hazard wild guesses at best. I am working from memory only as I need all the exercise I can get in that direction nowadays – “use it or lose it”, they say. I don’t need practice looking up things at AMG.

1. In the Mood is all I know. Not much stretching of memory but plenty of foot exercise.

2. Could it be Jimmy Dorsey? The style of playing reminded me of an old sax tutor I had written by JD.

3. No guesses as to anything here but don’t they play well? Nice neat ending, like a breath of fresh air after some of the more modern meanderings.

4. Sleepy Time Gal – playing nicely together – foot still going strong.

5. Star Eyes – Bird I should think. I’ve listened to his solo several times here – at first I thought it staggering but when I came to listen more closely I became less impressed.

6. Tune is familiar but no name presents itself. Could this be Prez?

7. Ray Bryant, this sounds like to me. Tune again eludes me.

8. Line up suggests Goodman, Hampton, Christian, Krupa. Tune echoes but no result.

9. Train number – I love that baritone sound. No idea who.

10. Is this Tiger Rag? I can’t even identify the instrument soloing first – C melody sax?

11. Billie – nice!

12. Four Brothers but I don’t know by whom.

13. Tune escapes me here too but sure I know it.

14. I only have one example of Albert Ammons playing in my lot – Shout for Joy – no surprise? The piano on this track sounds a lot like that to me.

15. Only singer I know who sounds anything like this is Leon Thomas.

16. Heard this before somewhere – I particularly remember the line “look like me” but no identities still

17. Train again – blues again.

18. Yet again can’t name the tune but know it.

19. Blues again – riff. No names or anything.

20. Oop-Bop Sh’Bam by Kenny Clarke and his Fifty-Second Street Boys.

21. No clue.

22. Not June Christy of course but the style reminded me of hers – sings a bit flat?

23. Voice I’ve heard but no name – like this best of the three ladies.

24. Nothing to offer – no ideas.

A very stimulating session, Milan – very different from my usual fare and all the better for that. I will play this whenever I need a change of pace, which happens quite a lot.

[Durium]

Hi all,

Let's do a guess ...

track 1 - In the mood - Edgar Hayes and his Orchestra? January 1938.

The piano solo could be his.

[mmilovan]

Well, people,

you've guessed a lot tracks/musicians.

Many thanks for listening. I like coments and statements.

To be precise, these are not only 1940's but theme has something to do with this period for sure.

[mmilovan]

Hi all,

Let's do a guess ...

track 1 - In the mood - Edgar Hayes and his Orchestra? January 1938.

The piano solo could be his.

Hello Hans,

and many thanks for taking part in our guessing game.

Well, it certainly can be close to Hayes version (which I haven't heard, maybe there are some obvious similarities to the sound of these two bands), but... you will be suprised about the correct answer!

Edited November 28, 2004 by mmilovan

[couw]

Cool beans! loads of old stuff! I sometimes had my difficulties simply telling which instrument was being played. Nothing to detract from the big fun though.

Track 1. In the Mood. Nice opener, and nice opening to this particular version. Haven't got a clue on who's playing on any of the featured instruments. This is very nice though, with some interesting deviations from the beaten path.

Track 2. I do not recognise the song, nor any of the players. Tremendous fun though. The trombone(?) is cool, the interlude that follows is fabulous with the nursery rhyme that takes us to the other shore, love that kind of stuff. The acrobatic alto (clarinet?) welcomes us to the other shore. Very nice.

Track 3. A laid back blues with on the mark short statements by all involved. I wish I could tell you who and what, but I draw a blank again, though the sax sounds familiar. Sweet sound on the theme and slightly more rough edges on the solos make this another fine performance.

Track 4. Fearing it will never stop, I again haven't a clue. Know the song though, can *almost* sing the words along. The second run through is far out! Is this overdubbed? Yet another mood for the piece follows after the piano interlude. This is really great! So, now I will want to know what this is

Track 5. bad audio, live... Bird! Star Eyes. Benedetti? It's Bird and that lifts it to another level, but it's not at the top there I find.

Track 6. Sounds like Prez. Should know the song, but cannot pin it. This is lovely, very nicely relaxed. Wonder who's on trumpet here.

Track 7. great drumming! great basswork! fine fine piano. This has a great drive, no clue (again )

Track 8. Hamp, with Goodman maybe? Big fun. The combination of Hamp and Goodman would put Christian close, but I really cannot tell.

Track 9. heheheh. Train. toot toot. I daresay I hear a baritone honking through the noise here.

Track 10. Some I got rhythm clone (?), strange sound after the previous track. this sound all a little uptight to me, though no doubt some of the players are having a great time here. Probably a jam session.

Track 11. Billy, Any Old Time. Would have to be Artie Shaw. Great track, nice typically lazy Billy. Never heard this before, wonder where you took it from.

Track 12. Four Brothers. Is it Woody's band? Nice, but it doesn't really shake my drink somehow. Not at this time and place that is.

I'll be back later with more. Thus far it has been a great trip

[mmilovan]

Never heard this before, wonder where you took it from.

All I can say is that I don't believe they sound with that crap noise reduction they had been washed for this issue. Too many early stage noise filtering.

It kills the sound.

[Durium]

About track 2

I guess that the virtuoso clarinet player on the second track could be Al Gallodoro, but I don't recognize the tune. If it is Al Gallodoro it icould be the Paul Whiteman Orchestra (or one of its smaller groups) somewhere in the late 1930s

About track 4

Sleepy Time Gal by Paul Whiteman's Sax Soctette. Although I can't find this tune recorded by the Sax Soctette it could be a (radio) transcription.

Edited November 28, 2004 by Durium

[brownie]

Hi all,

Let's do a guess ...

track 1 - In the mood - Edgar Hayes and his Orchestra? January 1938.

The piano solo could be his.

I'll post impressions - and some answers - tomorrow morning. Need some more time to check a couple of tracks.

But that track 1 that sends the BFT in the right mood is track 6 from this CD:

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:3src282y056a

Milan, I have a problem with your track 6. The favorite musician of both of us but I have no idea where you picked this up

[mmilovan]

About track 4

Sleepy Time Gal by Paul Whiteman's Sax Soctette.

Hell, I forgot to include Paul Whiteman in this compilation...

[brownie]

This has been the most FUN BFT so far. With a lot of familiar musicians but also a lot of blind spots. It will be a pleasure to wait for the full answers list.

And start making purchases

The BFT started in the right mood:

1- (to repeat myself) track 6 from this album:

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:3src282y056a

The pianist and the tenorsax player made the identification easy.

This is the jazziest version of that classic!

2- not really the type of music I love best but had fun with this one. I am afraid I have no idea who plays here.

3- a very nice mysterious track. Do I recognize Jess Stacy on piano?

4- the sax section seems to be playing a Benny Carter arrangement. Could not trace the album for this one right away but it is track 9 from this album:

http://www.djangomusic.com/item_music.asp?...sid=&mediatype=

5- Bird in flight in Europe. Track 5:

http://shopping.yahoo.com/p:Charlie%20Park...HNsawNtdXNpYw--

6- This is our Prez, no doubt. Playing 'Don't be That way'! Never heard that one. It is not listed in any of the discographies I have. The mystery track! Love it!

7- Although the piano player's touch was familiar it was the drummer (and bandleader) who gave that away. I have that LP somewhere but could not lay my hands on it. Not really sure of the track but I would say number 2 from this wonderful album:

http://wwwp.musicmatch.com/album/album.cgi?ALBUMID=1104426

8- a very classic sound and a classic tune by this unit. I did not have time to identify the exact concert this was part of, but it's the tune on tracks 9 or 13 from this album:

http://www.walhello.info/charlie+christian+volume+2.html

9- sound on that one was awful. Where did Milan pick this up. I have a couple of editions of these broadcasts that sound way better. Yeah! Man!

That broadcast:

http://www.walhello.info/count+basie+count...s+door+nyc.html

Superb Prez and Clayton!

10- drew a blank on this. Like it!

Probably BG!

11- another classic that I love (and one more great clarinet player).

Track 18:

http://swingera.net/plimage12.html

12- gave up trying to identify the exact broadcast date of that brotherly classic. One of the best rendering of this tune,

13- another intriguing track. Berman language that went that away. Will look for this version after the answers are posted...

14- liked that big band boogie but have no idea who plays here

15- my favorite singer. Thanks Milan for including him here. Track 6 (great Maggie behind the singer):

http://wwwp.musicmatch.com/album/album.cgi?ALBUMID=402478

16- another favorite. A rare issue. Track 9:

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:gpu1z85a1yv5

17- could not identify that one. I am sure I know those players. Hope I will not be too embarassed when the answers are posted!

18- the tune was familiar so was the sound of the tenorsax player. Know it's not that exact recording from this band but the tune is track 17 of that Classics:

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:d06htr6qkl4x

19- another great sax player, playing music from a film masterpiece. It's Illinois Jacquet. Did not have time enough to identify the exact recording,

20- had no problem identifying that one at first. Hey, wait a second DG is not playing there. Turns out to be the second great version of this. Track 13:

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:9lamqj7iojha

21- the singer was identifiable but I could not find that song in her discography. Had to look hard to find it (I don't have that one and it's the first time I hear this song).

Track 21:

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:4gq5g4jntv2z

22- Another great one. And a familar one. Track 9:

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:ebfxlfwekcqw

And another classic interpretation and arrangement!

23- the tune is familiar but not the singer. Not really sure I like that one

24- a Basie live track to end this wonderful set. Will have to look for that one too!

[mikeweil]

7- Although the piano player's touch was familiar it was the drummer (and bandleader) who gave that away. I have that LP somewhere but could not lay my hands on it. Not really sure of the track but I would say number 2 from this wonderful album:

http://wwwp.musicmatch.com/album/album.cgi?ALBUMID=1104426

You got the right LP, Guy, but after checking my Fresh Sound LP reissue - which sounds a bit better, BTW - I found out it is track 8 - the Fresh Sound has a different track order, though - click on the (Trio) CD title on this page to get track details - it is track 6 on this issue.

Edited November 29, 2004 by mikeweil

[mmilovan]

Speaking of labels from this one, mine is entirely on different one.

Still, it is rare music to find these days.