Jazzmoose Posted May 30, 2003 Report Posted May 30, 2003 I have two Henderson discs, Page One and Inner Urge. I enjoy both. The former, in my opinion, is a great example of the Blue Note sound and worthy of all the praise it gets. But Inner Urge....WOW!!! So, a question of all the Henderson fans here: If I want more stuff like Inner Urge, which Henderson disc would you recommend I grab next? Thanks! Quote
EKE BBB Posted May 30, 2003 Report Posted May 30, 2003 This one is essential, IMHO: AMG REVIEW And another couple I consider among my favorites (besides Inner urge and Page one, of course): AMG REVIEW AMG REVIEW Quote
J.A.W. Posted May 30, 2003 Report Posted May 30, 2003 (edited) Three of my favorite albums with Joe Henderson: Bobby Hutcherson - Stick Up! - Blue Note recorded on July 14, 1966, with: Joe Henderson - tenor saxophone Bobby Hutcherson - vibraphone McCoy Tyner - piano Herbie Lewis - bass Billy Higgins - drums Andrew Hill - Black Fire - Blue Note recorded on November 8, 1963, with: Joe Henderson - tenor saxophone Andrew Hill - piano Richard Davis - bass Roy Haynes - drums Andrew Hill - Point of Departure - Blue Note recorded on March 31, 1964, with: Kenny Dorham - trumpet Eric Dolphy - alto saxophone, flute, bass clarinet Joe Henderson - tenor saxophone Andrew Hill - piano Richard Davis - bass Anthony Williams - drums Edited May 30, 2003 by J.A.W. Quote
king ubu Posted May 30, 2003 Report Posted May 30, 2003 one more for Basra! then: The State of the Tenor, Live at the Village Vanguard (2CD, Blue Note, with Ron Carter & Al Foster) Mirror Mirror (MPS, 1980, with Chick Corea, Ron Carter, Billy Higgins) Then the other Henderson-Dorham Blue Note collaborations: Our Thing (with Andrew Hill) Kenny Dorham, Una Mas! (with Herbie Hancock) and then let's hope Dorham's Trompeta Toccatta will reappear (I never heard it) then some more: Lee Morgan, Sidewinder Lee Morgan, Rumproller Andrew Hill, Point of Departure Andrew Hill, Black Fire these are only the ones which come to my mind right now. ubu Quote
king ubu Posted May 30, 2003 Report Posted May 30, 2003 oh yeah, Stick Up! and In'n'out are two of my favorites, too! and two I forgot: Grant Green, Idle Moments & Solid ubu Quote
J.A.W. Posted May 30, 2003 Report Posted May 30, 2003 ...And don't forget these albums: Joe Henderson - Our Thing - Blue Note recorded on September 9, 1963, with: Kenny Dorham - trumpet Joe Henderson - tenor saxophone Andrew Hill - piano Eddie Khan - bass Pete La Roca - drums Joe Henderson - In 'n Out - Blue Note recorded on April 10, 1964, with: Kenny Dorham - trumpet Joe Henderson - tenor saxophone McCoy Tyner - piano Richard Davis - bass Elvin Jones - drums Joe Henderson - Mode for Joe - Blue Note recorded on January 27, 1966, with: Lee Morgan - trumpet Curtis Fuller - trombone Joe Henderson - tenor saxophone Bobby Hutcherson - vibraphone Cedar Walton - piano Ron Carter - bass Joe Chambers - drums Quote
EKE BBB Posted May 30, 2003 Report Posted May 30, 2003 As a sideman: Of course, Point of departure And The sidewinder or The rumproller (Lee Morgan); Idle moments (Grant Green); Song for my father (Horace Silver); The real McCoy (McCoy Tyner); The prisoner (Herbie Hancock) and more and more. He was a helluva of a player! Another CD I like is Roy Hargrove´s With the tenors of our time (Verve, 1994) featuring Joe Henderson, Johnny Griffin, Joshua Redman, Stanley Turrentine and Brandford Marsalis Quote
J.A.W. Posted May 30, 2003 Report Posted May 30, 2003 Black Fire is brilliant and comes close in overall "feeling" but is not a feature for Henderson but rather for Hill. You're absolutely right; I included it for the very reason you mentioned. Quote
Parkertown Posted May 30, 2003 Report Posted May 30, 2003 Was revisiting the Milestone box yesterday; what a coincidence! Don't forget these recordings. I only listened to discs 1 & 2 yesterday, and was pleasantly BLOWN AWAY! I've really ignored this set for a while, but yesterday it was hitting me, big time! And the sound quality is really quite excellent. The two sets I listened to: "The Kicker" and "Tetragon" were most enjoyable. Great Ron Carter playing on those; he was ON! I had completely forgotten that "The Kicker" album featured Grachun Moncur. Nice version of Miles' "Nardis" on that set. I'll be spending more time with this set. B) Quote
Rooster_Ties Posted May 30, 2003 Report Posted May 30, 2003 Hello???!!!!!! AMG: McCoy Tyner - "The Real McCoy" McCoy's "The Real McCoy" has nearly the same exact line-up as Joe's "Inner Urge", same instrumentation, Elvin, and only the bass player is different. Yet another one for Basra!!!! Also, be sure to get Joe's "Mode For Joe", but WAIT - it's coming out as a U.S. RVG this Fall. DON'T get the current issue. It sounds OK (I guess), but I'd wait. GREAT album ("Mode For Joe"), probably my all-time favorite Joe Henderson album. Quote
Rooster_Ties Posted May 30, 2003 Report Posted May 30, 2003 (edited) Was revisiting the Milestone box yesterday; what a coincidence! Don't forget these recordings. I only listened to discs 1 & 2 yesterday, and was pleasantly BLOWN AWAY! I've really ignored this set for a while, but yesterday it was hitting me, big time! And the sound quality is really quite excellent. The two sets I listened to: "The Kicker" and "Tetragon" were most enjoyable. Great Ron Carter playing on those; he was ON! I had completely forgotten that "The Kicker" album featured Grachun Moncur. Nice version of Miles' "Nardis" on that set. I'll be spending more time with this set.  B) Be sure to listen to "Power To The People", which I think you already did if you heard disc #2 (tracks 6-12). "Power To The People" is my all-time favorite non-BN album by Joe Henderson!!!!! :rsmile: :rsmile: :rsmile: And by the way, I might add that Joe is my all-time favorite tenor player. Edited May 30, 2003 by Rooster_Ties Quote
sal Posted May 30, 2003 Report Posted May 30, 2003 I have to second EKE BBB's recommendation for "State of the Tenor". I have 7 of his albums, and that one is my absolute favorite. Amazing album with Joe, Ron Carter and Al Foster live at the Village Vanguard. An absolutely incredible album. I think its Joe's best playing ever. Quote
marcoliv Posted May 30, 2003 Report Posted May 30, 2003 Hi! i would add his 2 albums for Red Records in Italy: an evening with joe henderson & the standard Joe they are very good peace Marcus Oliveira Quote
John Tapscott Posted May 30, 2003 Report Posted May 30, 2003 Recently I was revisiting McCoy Tyner's "New York Reunion" on Chesky with Henderson, Ron Carter and Al Foster. IMO Joe is just tremendous on this date, and the recording quality gives his tenor sound a wonderful "up front" presence and fullness that you don't always hear on some other recordings. A brilliant CD from every perspective. Quote
JSngry Posted May 30, 2003 Report Posted May 30, 2003 "Different", yes, in terms of lineup and instrumentation. But NOT different in terms of intensity, creativity, and everything else that matters. Trust me. Quote
Parkertown Posted May 30, 2003 Report Posted May 30, 2003 (edited) Was revisiting the Milestone box yesterday; what a coincidence! Don't forget these recordings. I only listened to discs 1 & 2 yesterday, and was pleasantly BLOWN AWAY! I've really ignored this set for a while, but yesterday it was hitting me, big time! And the sound quality is really quite excellent. The two sets I listened to: "The Kicker" and "Tetragon" were most enjoyable. Great Ron Carter playing on those; he was ON! I had completely forgotten that "The Kicker" album featured Grachun Moncur. Nice version of Miles' "Nardis" on that set. I'll be spending more time with this set.  B) Be sure to listen to "Power To The People", which I think you already did if you heard disc #2 (tracks 6-12). "Power To The People" is my all-time favorite non-BN album by Joe Henderson!!!!! :rsmile: :rsmile: :rsmile: And by the way, I might add that Joe is my all-time favorite tenor player. Rooster, I actually did give the PTTP set a spin, this morning, and this one WAS NOT grabbing me! I was really looking forward to it too. Great lineup...(HERBIE!!!) But I'm sure it's just me; sometimes my ears hear things differently from day to day. I'll give it another listen later, for sure. Addendum: I think I wasn't liking the sound of the electric piano on this one...if that makes sense... Edited May 30, 2003 by Parkertown Quote
Late Posted May 30, 2003 Report Posted May 30, 2003 My favorite Joe Henderson album has always been Our Thing. Some of the finest Henderson improvisations on record, in my opinion. Listen to his solo on the master take of "Teeter Totter." It's a model of grace, forward motion (as opposed to repetition), and individuality. If there's one Henderson solo to transcribe and learn, in my book it's this one. Hill might not seem the most likely candidate for this album (— Herbie Hancock may have fit the compositional nuances of Kenny Dorham's work more closely), but he nevertheless carves his place into the line-up, adding an essential (and positive) tension. This album, I must also say, has some of Dorham's most beautiful writing ever — emotional, but never maudlin. _____________________________________________________ A few other single song recommendations: • Henderson's solo on "Nite Flite," from Lee Morgan's Delightful Lee. A perfect example of Henderson's "bagpipe conception" (his term, I believe; or else it's Don Sickler's) for overblowing. Damn exciting. • Henderson's cover of "Lazy Afternoon" ... not from Basra, but from his own Power to the People. This later version, I think, is much finer, and much groovier. Hancock has some of the hippest comping here that he's ever committed to wax. • Henderson's solo on "The Melting Pot," from Freddie Hubbard's Blue Spirits. One bad mother-f'. And defintiely worthy of a Quote
BruceH Posted May 30, 2003 Report Posted May 30, 2003 I was going to suggest In 'n' Out and Mode for Joe but the earlier suggestion of The Real McCoy, because of the similar lineup, is an interesting one. You might want to wait for the RVG of Mode----meanwhile Late has persuaded me to dig out and relisten to my copy of Our Thing. Quote
JSngry Posted May 30, 2003 Report Posted May 30, 2003 I think I wasn't liking the sound of the electric piano on this one...if that makes sense... Then IN JAPAN might not be for you. But if you can get past that, there's some of Joe's most freewheeling, loose, inventive, and swinging playing on record. The cat was on fire, and didn't hold nothin' back. Maybe a tad "freer" than the BN stuff, but the tunes are mostly familiar ("Round Midnight", "Blue Bossa", "Out'N In" (AKA "In 'N Out"), with "Junk Blues" being the only newbie) so it's kinda like an "update" of some of that stuff, a "progress report", if you will. If you got the Milestone box, you got it already. Might as well give it a shot (or 2), maybe? Quote
Rooster_Ties Posted May 30, 2003 Report Posted May 30, 2003 (edited) I love Joe's Milestone box, nearly as much as his Blue Note work. At least for me, when it comes to Joe, it's all good!!!! But seriously, can anybody point out an album where they think Joe seriously misfired??? I haven't found one yet, and I think I'm up to having heard (and owning) nearly 80% of the man's entire recorded output, sideman dates included. (Maybe closer to 85%.) You might not like the context (for instance the Milestone years), I'll grant you that - but if you listen specifically to Joe - I don't think he ever fell below a 7 or 8 on a 10 scale. Not too many other jazz musicians I can think of with track records like that, with careers that span nearly 40 years. Edited May 30, 2003 by Rooster_Ties Quote
John L Posted May 30, 2003 Report Posted May 30, 2003 But seriously, can anybody point out an album where they think Joe seriously misfired??? Maybe when he lit his first cigarette? He should still be with us. RIP Quote
John Tapscott Posted May 30, 2003 Report Posted May 30, 2003 But seriously, can anybody point out an album where they think Joe seriously misfired??? I know a lot of people really dig it, but I've never really enjoyed "So Near, So Far" all that much. It's not Joe Hen so much, but Scofield's guitar. (Again, I know a lot of people really dig that kind of guitar plaing, but it's just not my cup of tea somehow). Plus, I don't think Joe and Sco really mesh all that well on that record. Quote
Sundog Posted May 30, 2003 Report Posted May 30, 2003 I would just like to add that Joe's tribute to the music of Billy Strayhorn "Lush Life" is a master work. His ability to mix some of his more "out" tendencies with these beautiful songs is quite impressive. The album's first cut "Isfahan" is a thing of rare beauty. Quote
Rooster_Ties Posted May 30, 2003 Report Posted May 30, 2003 I know a lot of people really dig it, but I've never really enjoyed "So Near, So Far" all that much. It's not Joe Hen so much, but Scofield's guitar. (Again, I know a lot of people really dig that kind of guitar plaing, but it's just not my cup of tea somehow). Plus, I don't think Joe and Sco really mesh all that well on that record. When I first got "So Near, So Far", I couldn't get it out of my CD player for a month. Normally I'm luke-warm on Scofield too. I think I like what he plays, but that tone isn't really my thing. But somehow I was totally taken by the collective musicianship on "So Near, So Far", and I was totally smitten with Joe's playing. (It was first "post-1973" Joe Henderson recording I'd ever heard, along with McCoy's "New York Reunion".) Years later, I'm no longer as fanatical about "So Near...", but I still really like it quite a lot. Joe's playing, in particual, is great - but I also love Holland and Foster too, and three "10's on a 10 scale" plus one "6 on a 10 scale" still makes for a solid "9", at least in my book. Quote
vibes Posted May 30, 2003 Report Posted May 30, 2003 I know we're talking about albums similar to "Inner Urge," but here's a recommendation for Joe as a sideman. I was listening to this in the car this afternoon and I love the way he plays on this record. Quote
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