paul secor Posted March 11, 2005 Report Posted March 11, 2005 I'd like to add another welcome to the Board. I agree with brownie - Jazz Portraits is a very fine recording that's usually overlooked. A couple of others not in that class, but fine and overlooked: Mingus Plays Piano (Impulse) - more pure music on this than on many pianists' records. The Charles Mingus Group - Debut Rarities Vol. 3 (OJC) - also available on the Mingus Debut box. I just picked this up and have only listened to it once, so I can't tell how well it will hold up, but it grabbed me on first listen and it was certainly overlooked by me until now. Quote
John L Posted March 11, 2005 Report Posted March 11, 2005 I hope it was more a persuasive nudge than a knock! I'm really quite peaceful, really, I am. Really! Sorry, Lon. I must have assumed that it was a knock because it usually takes much more than a nudge to get my stubborn ass to budge. Quote
jazzbo Posted March 11, 2005 Report Posted March 11, 2005 (edited) Okay. . . I confess. . .I used my intellectual battering ram! Edited March 11, 2005 by jazzbo Quote
AllenLowe Posted March 11, 2005 Report Posted March 11, 2005 (edited) just wanted to add something related to Mingus - if you have the Debut box you've heard the version of Massey Hall without the Mingus overdub - the sound on this is so strikingly better than the version released (has more presence, better sound) that I'm surprised it has not been issued officially as an alternative to the other - by the way I never said the Stormy Weather performance was underappreciated - I only note that it is rarely mentioned; both Dolphy and Mingus's work on it are unsurprassed - Edited March 11, 2005 by AllenLowe Quote
jazzbo Posted March 11, 2005 Report Posted March 11, 2005 Yes, I wonder if they still have those undubbed tapes around. . .they did the SACD using the Mingus dubbed tape and I wish they hadn't! Quote
dave9199 Posted March 11, 2005 Report Posted March 11, 2005 For some reason, when I listen to Mingus Moves, from 1973, I play it over & over again. I just love this album. Even the title track which has vocals (I'm not a fan of jazz vocals normally) I love the melody line in it. Mingus wrote only 3 or so songs on it. I'd have to say, it's my favorite. Quote
AfricaBrass Posted March 11, 2005 Report Posted March 11, 2005 For some reason, when I listen to Mingus Moves, from 1973, I play it over & over again. I just love this album. Even the title track which has vocals (I'm not a fan of jazz vocals normally) I love the melody line in it. Mingus wrote only 3 or so songs on it. I'd have to say, it's my favorite. I love his early 70's stuff myself. There are a bunch of downloads on easytree right now of early-mid 70's shows. I'm working on getting my upload ratio up right now (I've finally got the firewall thing settled), but I hope to download them soon. I also agree with David and Paul about Mingus Plays Piano. I really enjoy Mingus' Impulse recordings; they were some of the first jazz I purchased. Quote
jazzbo Posted March 11, 2005 Report Posted March 11, 2005 I love "Mingus Plays Piano" as well. It's one of the few recordings I've kept more than one "version" of. I sold the US Impulse version; I had before and still have the Mobile Fidelity silver version which sounds great and I have since bought a Japanese lp facimile 24 bit version that is quite quite nice. Just so intimate and so deep; it's riveting stuff. Quote
Jazz Kat Posted March 11, 2005 Report Posted March 11, 2005 All of his Tijuana albums. He loved them so much, but they dont get as much attention as his down home jazz albums on Columbia, and of course, CANDID. Quote
dave9199 Posted March 12, 2005 Report Posted March 12, 2005 AfricaBrass, you brought back my favorite avatar! Quote
RDK Posted March 12, 2005 Report Posted March 12, 2005 I think I once asked this in a Duke thread, but similarly: is there a bad Mingus album? One of the greatest oeuvres in all of jazz... Quote
Chuck Nessa Posted March 12, 2005 Report Posted March 12, 2005 Maybe one of the most "interesting". Quote
kh1958 Posted March 12, 2005 Report Posted March 12, 2005 I think I once asked this in a Duke thread, but similarly: is there a bad Mingus album? One of the greatest oeuvres in all of jazz... I've found that the ones I wasn't as enthusiastic about early in my Mingus listening experience have grown on me over time--that is, Pre-Bird, Town Hall Concert (1962), and Mingus and Friends. The latter two grew in my estimation based on the expanded CD reissues. I haven't listened to it in quite awhile, but the one that might fill the bill is Charles Mingus and Orchestra, which was made in Japan with a mixture of Mingus and Japanese musicians. When I got it I thought it was not good, but now I find I can't really remember anymore, so maybe I better listen again. Quote
Jazz Kat Posted March 12, 2005 Report Posted March 12, 2005 AfricaBrass, you brought back my favorite avatar! One of my favorite albums too! Quote
alankin Posted March 12, 2005 Report Posted March 12, 2005 AfricaBrass, you brought back my favorite avatar! One of my favorite albums too! The reissue of the album (with the original non-Cat-ner cover ), is due out on April 12th. Quote
MartyJazz Posted March 12, 2005 Report Posted March 12, 2005 I think I once asked this in a Duke thread, but similarly: is there a bad Mingus album? One of the greatest oeuvres in all of jazz... You ask whether there is a "bad" Mingus album. There is IMO. Having loved Mingus's music for close to 40 years, there's one album I purchased when it was first issued knowing full well that I wouldn't like it but that I "had to have" it for the sake of completeness. It is MINGUS AT CARNEGIE HALL. Now how did I know I wouldn't like it? Back in January 1974 when it was performed and recorded I attended the concert. There was lots of terrific MINGUS music, i.e., his compositions. Later on the bill, various guest artists including Rahsaan Roland Kirk, Jon Faddis, etc. were invited on stage in order to participate in two excruciatingly long, self-indulgent jam sessions on non-Mingus fare, "'C' Jam Blues" and "Perdido". And of course that's what Atlantic chose to issue on LP. Wonderful MINGUS music that had been performed by Mingus's regular working ensemble during the first half of the concert stayed in the can and has never surfaced to my knowledge. Quote
kh1958 Posted March 12, 2005 Report Posted March 12, 2005 I would love to hear the first set from the Carnegie Hall concert, but disagree with you--the jam session is great. Quote
Jazz Kat Posted March 12, 2005 Report Posted March 12, 2005 AfricaBrass, you brought back my favorite avatar! One of my favorite albums too! The reissue of the album (with the original non-Cat-ner cover ), is due out on April 12th. I know. It was already issued about three years back, but ever since Alpert has been re-mastering ALL of his Tijuana Brass recordings, it's coming back out in April on the Signature Series. I already have Lonely Bull, South Of The Border, and a CD of Tijuana Brass cuts never before been heard and released. Quote
Guest wankyjazz Posted March 14, 2005 Report Posted March 14, 2005 (edited) I think the Charlie Mingus album that is the most unappreciated is the one that he doesn't wank on, o wait.... Edited March 14, 2005 by wankyjazz Quote
bertrand Posted March 14, 2005 Report Posted March 14, 2005 There you have it. Just go and wish him a happy birthday, and he sneaks in again under a pseudonym, posting his usual trash. Bertrand. Quote
brownie Posted March 14, 2005 Report Posted March 14, 2005 Who the hell is this wankyjazz?? Don't pay any attention to him! One of those trolls! And a wanker to boot! Quote
AfricaBrass Posted March 14, 2005 Report Posted March 14, 2005 AfricaBrass, you brought back my favorite avatar! Thanks! It's my favorite too of mine. Yours is one of my all-time favorites too. Quote
Jazz Kat Posted March 14, 2005 Report Posted March 14, 2005 Who the hell is this wankyjazz?? Don't pay any attention to him! One of those trolls! And a wanker to boot! I stopped taking him seriously after the first post I read. He a former member coming back to haunt the forum? Quote
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