Guy Berger Posted May 31, 2005 Report Posted May 31, 2005 I thought the last few minutes of the Suns-Spurs game got awfully physical, largely to the benefit of the Suns. Well, the Suns didn't get swept, but I don't see them taking game 5. Let's see if the Pistons can snap out of their funk and win tomorrow. ← I think the Suns will win game 5, I don't see them taking game 6 though. Pistons will win tomorrow. Guy Quote
BruceW Posted May 31, 2005 Report Posted May 31, 2005 Larry Brown did something that really helps to destroy most teams. Very few teams have come back and won it all after their coach becomes a lame duck coach. I'm really sad for the Pistons Quote
Soulstation1 Posted May 31, 2005 Report Posted May 31, 2005 (edited) boo freakin' hoo peace Edited May 31, 2005 by Soulstation1 Quote
BruceW Posted May 31, 2005 Report Posted May 31, 2005 Interesting TV today. past NBA finals teams Today I am presently watching 1999 Spurs. Funny how they beat a Shaq/Kobe team in the 2nd round. For those who think a Shaq team is a lock, here is another eye opener. Not only did 1999 and 2004 Lakers get beat (Shaq/Kobe) but the Orlando Magic got swept in the Finals (Shaq/Penny). Quote
Noj Posted May 31, 2005 Report Posted May 31, 2005 Yeah, lots of shame losing to Jordan's Bulls in their prime. Shaq had barely been in the league a few seasons. Taking the Magic to the Finals firmly established the Diesel as a new premier force in the NBA. Quote
Guy Berger Posted May 31, 2005 Report Posted May 31, 2005 Yeah, lots of shame losing to Jordan's Bulls in their prime. Shaq had barely been in the league a few seasons. Taking the Magic to the Finals firmly established the Diesel as a new premier force in the NBA. ← I don't think that's what Bruce meant -- he's just trying to point out that having Shaq on your team, even in his prime, was not a guaranteed championship. Or even guaranteed success in the playoffs (making it out of the 2nd round). Guy Quote
BruceW Posted May 31, 2005 Report Posted May 31, 2005 Yeah, lots of shame losing to Jordan's Bulls in their prime. Shaq had barely been in the league a few seasons. Taking the Magic to the Finals firmly established the Diesel as a new premier force in the NBA. ← I don't think that's what Bruce meant -- he's just trying to point out that having Shaq on your team, even in his prime, was not a guaranteed championship. Or even guaranteed success in the playoffs (making it out of the 2nd round). Guy ← Right Bruce Quote
Jim Alfredson Posted June 2, 2005 Author Report Posted June 2, 2005 Man, The Suns are a joke. How did they get this far? Do they know what "defense" is? Tim Duncan moves like he's 70 years old. The Pistons are going to cream San Antonio. Quote
Soulstation1 Posted June 2, 2005 Report Posted June 2, 2005 duncan just got kicked in the ballzzzz niiiiccccccceeeeeee........ Quote
Guy Berger Posted June 2, 2005 Report Posted June 2, 2005 Man, The Suns are a joke. How did they get this far? Do they know what "defense" is? Hey dude, they're still the 2nd best team in the NBA. Neither Miami nor Detroit could beat them in a 7 game series. Guy Quote
md655321 Posted June 2, 2005 Report Posted June 2, 2005 I would bet ten pastamakers that Detroit would beat them in 5 or maybe 6 games. The Suns have been lucky enough to match up against teams that dont play good defense up until the Spurs. And we saw what the Spurs did to them. The Suns are still a joke and complete pretenders, like the Kings and the Mavs have been all these years. They would have had alot more trouble in the East where we still play defense. The bulls coulda taken them to 7 and maybe even win. Just to prove to you that the Pistons can beat the suns, check back when they beat the Spurs. Quote
Guy Berger Posted June 2, 2005 Report Posted June 2, 2005 (edited) I would bet ten pastamakers that Detroit would beat them in 5 or maybe 6 games. The Suns have been lucky enough to match up against teams that dont play good defense up until the Spurs. And we saw what the Spurs did to them. The Grizzlies were known as a good defensive team -- 6th best in the NBA in defensive efficiency. The Suns ran all over them. The Spurs are unusual because they're a good team at the Suns' type of game. There aren't many other teams in the NBA that can do that -- probably none. The Suns are still a joke and complete pretenders, like the Kings and the Mavs have been all these years. I think all 3 of these teams teams would consistently make the conference finals if not the finals if they were in the east. (The Kings, not anymore, but 2 or 3 years ago.) The western conference has been much, much more challenging in the past five or six years, and at their best they've consistently gotten more wins than the #2 teams in the east (and occasionally the #1) while facing much tougher opposition. They would have had alot more trouble in the East where we still play defense. The bulls coulda taken them to 7 and maybe even win. ← ???? This eastern conference had 3 (if you include the Pacers with Artest), maybe 4 teams (Bulls borderline) that could have made the playoffs in the western conference. The Bulls lost to the Suns by an average of 19 points/game this season. Guy Edited June 2, 2005 by Guy Berger Quote
Jim Alfredson Posted June 2, 2005 Author Report Posted June 2, 2005 Man, The Suns are a joke. How did they get this far? Do they know what "defense" is? Hey dude, they're still the 2nd best team in the NBA. Neither Miami nor Detroit could beat them in a 7 game series. Guy ← I do not agree. Either the Pistons or the Heat would kill the Suns. They do not play defense and they have no solution for teams that play defense against them. They would be lucky to win one game against either team. Quote
Guy Berger Posted June 2, 2005 Report Posted June 2, 2005 Man, The Suns are a joke. How did they get this far? Do they know what "defense" is? Hey dude, they're still the 2nd best team in the NBA. Neither Miami nor Detroit could beat them in a 7 game series. Guy ← I do not agree. Either the Pistons or the Heat would kill the Suns. They do not play defense and they have no solution for teams that play defense against them. They would be lucky to win one game against either team. ← They handily beat the Grizzlies, a defense-oriented team (one that many people predicted would give the Suns headaches). The Heat and the Pistons are better than the Grizzlies, not nearly as good as the Spurs. Hence I think the Suns would probably beat either team. Guy Quote
Noj Posted June 2, 2005 Report Posted June 2, 2005 In order to be successful, the Suns need to force turnovers. The Spurs take care of the ball, forcing the Suns to play the half court game. No fast breaks, no quick buckets for the Suns. Hypothetically, I would pick the Pistons and Heat over the Suns. Quote
Guy Berger Posted June 2, 2005 Report Posted June 2, 2005 In order to be successful, the Suns need to force turnovers. The Spurs take care of the ball, forcing the Suns to play the half court game. No fast breaks, no quick buckets for the Suns. But let's not exaggerate how stymied the Suns' offense was -- it's relative to their usual production. They still averaged 104 ppg in this series. Detroit was something like 6-12 (33% winning percentage) this season when their opponent scored 100 pts. Guy Quote
Noj Posted June 2, 2005 Report Posted June 2, 2005 But Guy, in Suns' victories over lesser teams they were blowing them out by 20+ and scoring 130. I'm sure the margin of victory over elite teams was not as large. I'm betting that stat is misleading. That the Pistons were 6-12 when allowing 100+ means they only allowed 100+ in 18 games... Quote
Guy Berger Posted June 2, 2005 Report Posted June 2, 2005 (edited) But Guy, in Suns' victories over lesser teams they were blowing them out by 20+ and scoring 130. I'm sure the margin of victory over elite teams was not as large. I'm betting that stat is misleading. That the Pistons were 6-12 when allowing 100+ means they only allowed 100+ in 18 games... ← No, that was 104 ppg against an elite defensive team (the Spurs) during the playoffs. You'd have to assume that either the Pistons would be much more effective than the Spurs against the Suns' offense, or that the Pistons would suddenly become an offensive juggernaut. Guy Edited June 2, 2005 by Guy Berger Quote
Noj Posted June 2, 2005 Report Posted June 2, 2005 Scoring 104ppg and losing tends to take some of the luster off the number. Quote
BruceW Posted June 2, 2005 Report Posted June 2, 2005 (edited) Hey, how about this..... Until they are beaten...... the Detroit Pistons are the champs.... All this conjecture, my my my It is great to see all this faith in everybody's team but faith is greatly made up of denial of reality. Edited June 2, 2005 by BruceW Quote
Guy Berger Posted June 2, 2005 Report Posted June 2, 2005 (edited) Scoring 104ppg and losing tends to take some of the luster off the number. ← Non sequitur. To convince me that the Pistons could beat the Suns, you'd have to argue that (1) The Pistons, unlike the Spurs, could hold the Suns to under 100 ppg or (2) The Pistons could suddenly become an offensive juggernaut that could outscore the Suns at their own game. Which of these do you think is realistic? Guy Edited June 2, 2005 by Guy Berger Quote
BruceW Posted June 2, 2005 Report Posted June 2, 2005 Gee, Haven't you noticed.... The Pistons are the champs..... The Pistons almost always keep anybody under 100 ppg.. Quote
Soulstation1 Posted June 2, 2005 Report Posted June 2, 2005 did anyone see duncan get kicked in the ballzzz?????????? Quote
Guy Berger Posted June 2, 2005 Report Posted June 2, 2005 Gee, Haven't you noticed.... The Pistons are the champs..... The Pistons almost always keep anybody under 100 ppg.. ← During the regular season, the Pistons held opponents to 89.5 ppg During the regular season, the Spurs held opponents to 88.4 ppg Quote
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