Clunky Posted October 11, 2004 Report Posted October 11, 2004 arcana major, this one, correct choice? Yes. It's OOP, so don't wait for too lonmg with ordering it. CDuniverse list it as shipping in 2 days, I;ve not known them to be wrong, here's hoping Quote
king ubu Posted October 11, 2004 Report Posted October 11, 2004 John Zorn? Zorn turned 50 last year. the question mark referred more to "favourite player" than to the age. frankly I don't really care about age... I mean, look at the tenor thread with the same topic: Wayne Shorter sounds younger and more daring at 71 than most of the players mentioned so far. Quote
cannonball-addict Posted October 11, 2004 Report Posted October 11, 2004 Tim Berne will be 49 until Wednesday.....not a terribly great alto player but not mentioned yet... Quote
king ubu Posted October 11, 2004 Report Posted October 11, 2004 arcana major, this one, correct choice? Yes. It's OOP, so don't wait for too lonmg with ordering it. CDuniverse list it as shipping in 2 days, I;ve not known them to be wrong, here's hoping Neither do I. You'll be listening to it in a week! Please do report! Quote
Д.Д. Posted October 11, 2004 Report Posted October 11, 2004 John Zorn? Zorn turned 50 last year. the question mark referred more to "favourite player" than to the age. frankly I don't really care about age... I mean, look at the tenor thread with the same topic: Wayne Shorter sounds younger and more daring at 71 than most of the players mentioned so far. I agree. Today is today - who gives the fuck if a musiccian is 20 or 80? Quote
Clunky Posted October 11, 2004 Report Posted October 11, 2004 if age is no bar then................ Lee Konitz Quote
king ubu Posted October 11, 2004 Report Posted October 11, 2004 I don't at all want to argue about this threads in general, but Chuckster is at least partially right... some of the older are among the best. dig Charlie Mariano, for instance, te mention at least an alto player! Then there was Teddy Edwards, there still are Von Freeman and Fred Anderson, there's Wayne... Quote
ADR Posted October 11, 2004 Report Posted October 11, 2004 (edited) If were talking strictly for technical ability and sound on the instrument - I would have to go with Kenny Garrett. He has such incredible chops and an instantly recognizable individual sound on the alto. However, if we are talking all around musicianship in terms of composition, ability to recruit and lead a stong working band with a distinct group "sound", experimentation with interesting styles and forms, etc. - I would have to go with Osby. The directions Osby has taken his band in, in recent years is just infinitely more interesting than what KG has been up to ("Standard of Language" was a keeper but compare "Simply Said" and "Happy People"with Osby's output during the same period). Until fairly recently Osby was also able to nurture and keep a monumental talent (Jason Moran) in his working band and harness his distinctive approach into his group sound. KG has not been able to maintain anyone of similar stature and influence in his working band for an extended period of time (although Kenny Kirkland and Tain were a burning band while they lasted with KG). ADR Edited October 11, 2004 by ADR Quote
Rooster_Ties Posted October 11, 2004 Author Report Posted October 11, 2004 If were talking strictly for technical ability and sound on the instrument - I would have to go with Kenny Garrett. He has such incredible chops and an instantly recognizable individual sound on the alto. However, if we are talking all around musicianship in terms of composition, ability to recruit and lead a stong working band with a distinct group "sound", experimentation with interesting styles and forms, etc. - I would have to go with Osby. The directions Osby has taken his band in, in recent years is just infinitely more interesting than what KG has been up to ("Standard of Language" was a keeper but compare "Simply Said" and "Happy People"with Osby's output during the same period). Until fairly recently Osby was also able to nurture and keep a monumental talent (Jason Moran) in his working band and harness his distinctive approach into his group sound. KG has not been able to maintain anyone of similar stature and influence in his working band for an extended period of time (although Kenny Kirkland and Tain were a burning band while they lasted with KG). ADR Absoutely, at least from my perspective (too). I like Garrett, don't get me wrong. But Osby's output interests me far, far greater --- for all the reasons that ADR states in what I've quoted. Quote
Rooster_Ties Posted October 11, 2004 Author Report Posted October 11, 2004 I prefer Steve Coleman to Osby. I used to, but not any more. My favorite Coleman is his work with Dave Holland --- usually as a sideman with Holland leading, though occasionally the other way around. Over the years, since about 1996 (but especially since 1998 or 99), Osby has really outshown Coleman, at least for me --- and particuarly when I compare their recordings as leaders. Quote
JSngry Posted October 11, 2004 Report Posted October 11, 2004 Coleman got into a rut when his M-Base thing started getting too "mechanical". But rather than abandon it, he stuck with it and has been working with players who genuinely FEEL that stuff now, and for my money, it's some of the freshest music being made today. It breathes now, and it feels totally organic. And it's about time afaic. I had just about given up. Of course, w/o a major label contract in America, you gotta go to European labels to hear it, but it's there to be had, and it is GLORIOUS! Quote
Larry Kart Posted October 11, 2004 Report Posted October 11, 2004 Someone to keep an eye on is Aram Shelton, in his late 20s, Chicago-based since 1999. Some info here: http://www.locustmusic.com/dragons1976.html http://www.jazzweekly.com/interviews/ashelton.htm Quote
John B Posted October 11, 2004 Report Posted October 11, 2004 Someone who hasn't been mentioned so far whose work I am really enjoying is Rudresh Mahanthappa. Both on his own Black Water and on Vijay Iyer's discs. Quote
sal Posted October 12, 2004 Report Posted October 12, 2004 Kenny Garrett, bar none. I don't think there's a better live act in jazz right now than KG blasting off into the stratosphere. Greg Osby is definitely up there for me as well. Wessell Anderson is absolutely fantastic. Quote
paul secor Posted October 15, 2004 Report Posted October 15, 2004 Rob Brown (mentioned previously by Late) and Nat Su Quote
Bright Moments Posted October 15, 2004 Report Posted October 15, 2004 John Zorn? turned 51 in september, but he should count! B-) Quote
Alon Marcus Posted October 15, 2004 Report Posted October 15, 2004 I like what Steve Coleman did with Dave Holland and also his M-base stuff. Recently began listening to Osby. You can find here some examples of his music http://www.gregosby.com/mp3.html But my favourite for sure is Kenny Garrett, I like his sound, the simplicity of his ideas and their development. I also think he has a very unique way of playing "out" a bit. Quote
king ubu Posted October 15, 2004 Report Posted October 15, 2004 Glad to see Nat Su mentioned! I got me a burn of that Ellington disc he made in duo with pianist Fredi Luescher for the AltriSuoni label, after hearing a track from another disc with Luescher on Nate Dorwards BFT. The Ellington disc, "Smada", is a real beauty! Steve Coleman is not someone I really have heard many times, yet when I hear some of his work, I usually are rather impressed. Though - that might provoke some controversy - in my opinion, he's a highly able bop player, presenting his art in slightly un-boppish surroundings... and those surroundings I'm not sure I really like them. His current Five Elements has a very able trumpet player in Jonathan Finlayson, as well as the usual tight and grooving rhythm section, yet somehow I am not sure how well it all comes together in the end. It does, somehow (otherwise I'd be bored by the music, and that is not at all the case). Bright Moments: my Zorn with questionmark was rather questioning his greatness (or, as is the topic here, favourite-ness), than age. He's a chameleon, and certainly an able altoist, but I'm not sure he really has something such as his personality on the horn. ubu Quote
Bright Moments Posted October 15, 2004 Report Posted October 15, 2004 Bright Moments: my Zorn with questionmark was rather questioning his greatness (or, as is the topic here, favourite-ness), than age. He's a chameleon, and certainly an able altoist, but I'm not sure he really has something such as his personality on the horn. ubu i am just now exploring zorn for the first time, having picked up naked city. it is certainly a mixed bag, but i liked it enuf to order torture garden. B-) Quote
mikeweil Posted October 15, 2004 Report Posted October 15, 2004 I like Watson for fire and spirit, Steve Coleman for cool tone and conception, Greg Osby for his tone and ideas, Sherman Irby for Feeling, Vincent Herring 'cause he's one of the few altos playing with organists. Quote
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