Dolphy: Iron Man and Conversations

[Chrome]

Can anyone provide any input on two Eric Dolphy discs: Iron Man and Conversations? They're on sale at the Jazz Record Mart, and I'm tempted. All I have of Dolphy is Out to Lunch (of course) and The Quest w/Mal Waldron, but I like that stuff a lot.

[sal]

Both are essential. Make sure you're getting the Fuel 2000 reissues though. I think there's like 3 different versions of "Iron Man" going around.

[dsgtrane]

Both are essential.

Amen!

[AmirBagachelles]

The "new" Fresh Sound editions at least have the decency to steal/license the original artwork, which was pretty catchy. Anybody know any sordid details regarding the chain of custody of the original tapes? These are great records, got me going on a nice Sonny Simmons jag for a stretch too.

[P.D.]

These were originally made for the Douglas label ( I believe), but seem to be somehow in the " public domain" from the variety of bootlegs etc that have and do exist. Excellent Dolphy though and necessary if you are into Eric. I think there were 9 tracks in total from these sessions.. some of the issues collide with each other, and some erroniouslyclaim unissued tracks to be included that most often are Stormy Weather from a Mingus date, and some Chico Hamilton tracks. The latter sound way out of place when tacked onto the Iron Man / Music Matador sets.

[Humbert Humbert]

I tell you what,

I would buy Iron Man if Come Sunday were the only track. That duet between Dolphy on bass clarinet and Richard Davis is perhaps one of the most beautiful recordings I've ever heard.

Andrew

[Humbert Humbert]

...and the rest isn't too bad either.

[Shrdlu]

I tell you what,

I would buy Iron Man if Come Sunday were the only track. That duet between Dolphy on bass clarinet and Richard Davis is perhaps one of the most beautiful recordings I've ever heard.

Andrew

Is it like that fabulous one on "Out To Lunch"?

[Jazzmoose]

I tell you what,

I would buy Iron Man if Come Sunday were the only track. That duet between Dolphy on bass clarinet and Richard Davis is perhaps one of the most beautiful recordings I've ever heard.

Andrew

I'll second that one! Absolutely beautiful!!!

[street singer]

So which version of these albums is generally regarded as "the one" to get? Is it the Fuel version, as previously stated?

[Chuck Nessa]

accept the previous message. has anyone offered a rebutal?

[Humbert Humbert]

Is it like that fabulous one on "Out To Lunch"?

Well, just let me say this:

If Come Sunday were not on Iron Man, I would much prefer listening to Out to Lunch, and I'd probably never even bother picking up Iron Man. But seeing as how it is, Iron Man gets to see a whole lot more of the inside of my CD player than does Out to Lunch.

Come Sunday never fails to make me cry.

Andrew

[B. Goren.]

Both are essential.

Amen!

[robviti]

Has anyone purchased the recent Lonehill Jazz reissue Eric Dolphy: Complete Memorial Album Sessions? It features all nine tracks originally released on Iron Man and Conversations on one cd. Currently, I own Music Matador on LeJazz which only has some of the tracks from the original recordings.

Btw, Dusty Groove has both Iron Man and Conversations on sale for 5.99 and 6.99 respectively (the bastards ). The Lonehill reissue is 11.99, but is currently out of stock.

Edited September 21, 2004 by jazzshrink

[David Ayers]

Didn't someone say tha Lonehill was missing a track?

[robviti]

here's what's on the lonehill:

1. Burning Spear

2. Music Matador

3. Jitterbug Waltz

4. Ironman

5. Mandrake

6. Alone Together

7. Come Sunday

8. Ode To C.P.

9. Love Me

is anything missing?

p.s. now i'm a supa groover? do i have to go out and buy different clothes?

Edited September 21, 2004 by jazzshrink

[Chrome]

I appreciate all this input ... regarding which versions to get, does anyone have an opinion on the Restless discs? Those happen to be the ones on sale at the JRM. How big of a difference is there between the Fuel discs and these? Or is Restless one of those "bad" labels?

Edited September 21, 2004 by Chrome

[David Ayers]

is anything missing?

I can't remember.

p.s. now i'm a supa groover? do i have to go out and buy different clothes? 

Yes.

[B. Goren.]

Dolphy's performance of Jitterbug Waltz is another good reason to buy this CD.

[Nate Dorward]

There are rumours that much more material exists from these sessions--they were recorded over 3 days--but I guess with all the questionable issues & confusion it's anybody's guess who's got the original tapes or if a "proper" issue will ever be made.

I have only the Iron Man session, on West Wind (another dodgy label). It's wonderful stuff. Much of the material is familiar from the Vintage Dolphy live stuff with Armour, but all the titles are different.

[JSngry]

There was a Casablanca 2-LP set that had everything. Worth looking for afaic.

[Geoff]

I prefer Conversations, but both are excellent and even essential.

[DrJ]

If you like Dolphy, you gotta have 'em. Too bad the sonics aren't a little better but the quality of the music trumps any such reservations ANY day.

[Bright Moments]

spun ironman today

damn!!

[Ken Dryden]

One Eric Dolphy CD to avoid is Wherever I Go, a cheesy boot compilation of previously issued material likely dubbed from LPs. Avoid it at any price.