J.A.W. Posted August 9, 2004 Report Posted August 9, 2004 I think S has been quite respectful, explaining himself when questioned, and when introducing "evangelical" material not being pushy or persistant. I wouldn't exactly call it "missionary" . . . . I didn't say or mean that Shrdlu was disrespectful or anything, I just don't think the board should be used for religious utterances. Just my opinion. Quote
JSngry Posted August 9, 2004 Report Posted August 9, 2004 What makes you think that Reverend Gates is frivolous or joking? The reason that his records sold so well is because he performed with perceived conviction and sincerity. The theme is exactly that: how to avoid going to hell. People didn't buy the records as a joke. My point exactly. Haven't heard this particular set (yet), but have heard a fair amount of other material in the same genre and of the same vintage, and "frivilous" is not exactly the word that comes to mind... Quote
7/4 Posted August 9, 2004 Report Posted August 9, 2004 I think S has been quite respectful, explaining himself when questioned, and when introducing "evangelical" material not being pushy or persistant. I wouldn't exactly call it "missionary" . . . . I didn't say or mean that Shrdlu was disrespectful or anything, I just don't think the board should be used for religious utterances. Just my opinion. Amen! .........uh...yeah! right! Quote
jazzbo Posted August 9, 2004 Report Posted August 9, 2004 Well, I think when SOME persons are SINCERELY religious, it permeates their entire life. For them NOT to "utter religion" from time to time in their discourse is unnatural. That's how I see it. It doesn't bother me in this light. It's easy to sidestep and as long as it's respectful and not pushy I don't mind; I do like the freedom that is allowed. Quote
Dan Gould Posted August 9, 2004 Report Posted August 9, 2004 Well, I think when SOME persons are SINCERELY religious, it permeates their entire life. For them NOT to "utter religion" from time to time in their discourse is unnatural. That's how I see it. It doesn't bother me in this light. It's easy to sidestep and as long as it's respectful and not pushy I don't mind; I do like the freedom that is allowed. I don't think Shrdlu is remotely "respectful" in the way he regards the beliefs of anyone who doesn't 100% agree with his personal beliefs. In fact, he's downright disrespectful. Quote
jazzbo Posted August 9, 2004 Report Posted August 9, 2004 Well, you have a point there, but that IS within the very nature of his beliefs (and he's not alone). I don't know, I just don't find this to be a problem for me but then misspelling doesn't bother me either! I'd rather we be free to express ourselves than otherwise. Quote
J.A.W. Posted August 9, 2004 Report Posted August 9, 2004 (edited) Well, you have a point there, but that IS within the very nature of his beliefs (and he's not alone). I don't know, I just don't find this to be a problem for me but then misspelling doesn't bother me either! I'd rather we be free to express ourselves than otherwise. I think there's an enormous difference between expressing religious beliefs and misspellings... When I posted somewhere on this board (don't remember the topic, but it had some religious content) a while ago that in my opinion religious matters / opinions should be avoided on this board, I was kindly adviced by a friend to delete it as it might offend members with religious beliefs. Double standards if you ask me (not meaning my friend). Edited August 9, 2004 by J.A.W. Quote
jazzbo Posted August 9, 2004 Report Posted August 9, 2004 Well, it would be interesting to see how the numbers would line up on this; I guess I'm on the side of allowing it. Quote
J.A.W. Posted August 9, 2004 Report Posted August 9, 2004 Well, it would be interesting to see how the numbers would line up on this; I guess I'm on the side of allowing it. What about expressing atheistic "beliefs"? Quote
Shawn Posted August 9, 2004 Report Posted August 9, 2004 I think we should practice the "seperation between church & jazz discussion" whenever possible.... Quote
jazzbo Posted August 9, 2004 Report Posted August 9, 2004 I do that all the time. An atheist has to realize he's surrounded by theists! Quote
J.A.W. Posted August 9, 2004 Report Posted August 9, 2004 An atheist has to realize he's surrounded by theists! Meaning? Quote
jazzbo Posted August 9, 2004 Report Posted August 9, 2004 Meaning I guess that as much as one may not want to hear about God, talk of God is all around one and it's not a "natural" situation to be completely devoid of religious sound. . . . That's how I see it at least. (I grew up surrounded by talk of God and religion). Quote
John L Posted August 9, 2004 Report Posted August 9, 2004 The good Reverend Gates might have rolled over in his grave if we didn't talk about God at least on this thread. Quote
Brad Posted August 9, 2004 Report Posted August 9, 2004 I'm sorry (or penitent, perhaps) that I started this mini fire storm but I do subscribe to what Hans and Shawn have said. This isn't the place for it. Some may say that we have a political forum and that raises a lot of fervent discussion. That is true and if we wish to have religious discussion or interject godly themes, I suggest that we do it in the political forum. Quote
JSngry Posted August 10, 2004 Report Posted August 10, 2004 That is true and if we wish to...interject godly themes, I suggest that we do it in the political forum. Kinda like taking the Queen to a whorehouse, ain't it? Quote
JSngry Posted August 10, 2004 Report Posted August 10, 2004 The good Reverend Gates might have rolled over in his grave if we didn't talk about God at least on this thread. Are you sure you're not me? At least on this thread? Quote
chris olivarez Posted August 10, 2004 Report Posted August 10, 2004 Just remember Jesus saves but Moses invests. Who is this Revrend Gates dude anyway? Quote
Jazzmoose Posted August 10, 2004 Report Posted August 10, 2004 Zeus knows I'm not the one to be saying this, but while Shrdlu's religious posts annoy me, they don't annoy me that much, as long as he puts up with my smart alec responses. If the price of having him around is an occasional holy roller tract, I can deal with it... Quote
chris olivarez Posted August 10, 2004 Report Posted August 10, 2004 Zeus knows I'm not the one to be saying this, but while Shrdlu's religious posts annoy me, they don't annoy me that much, as long as he puts up with my smart alec responses. If the price of having him around is an occasional holy roller tract, I can deal with it... Ditto. Quote
John L Posted August 10, 2004 Report Posted August 10, 2004 The good Reverend Gates might have rolled over in his grave if we didn't talk about God at least on this thread. Are you sure you're not me? At least on this thread? You think so? Can I borrow your tenor on this thread and try to verify that? Quote
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