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OK, you asked and here comes Chuck the ASSHOLE AND JERK. I tend to ignore threads started by Hardbopjazz 'cause there are about 4 a day (is this your goal?) and most of the questions have been dealt with before.

I'm still in the mode to answer quickly and have it done with. Will it last?

has this question been dealt with before?

:w

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OK, you asked and here comes Chuck the ASSHOLE AND JERK. I tend to ignore threads started by Hardbopjazz 'cause there are about 4 a day (is this your goal?) and most of the questions have been dealt with before.

Damn. :angry:

I had hoped no one noticed. I was going back to the old threads and "borrowing" previously posted information and posting it as my own. :w

Posted

The ones I visit seldom if ever are audio talk,vinyl frontier,album of the week and funny rat.

Chuck I disagree with you up to a point about HardbopJazz thread's. A lot of his threads are probably "Been There Done That" for you and I can seen why their reapperance for you could be annoying but not everybody is in the same boat as you are or at least not to the same extent.

To some posters his threads are no doubt redundant but that probably isn't a hard and fast rule for everyone.

Posted

I wonder if harbopjazz knows about the previous Chuck Nessa is an asshole and a jerk thread yet? :P

or was that on BN?

It was on BN. I was so proud I saved it as a word file. If the demand is high I will post it

Posted

The ones I visit seldom if ever are audio talk,vinyl frontier,album of the week and funny rat.

Chuck I disagree with you up to a point about HardbopJazz thread's. A lot of his threads are probably "Been There Done That" for you and I can seen why their reapperance for you could be annoying but not everybody is in the same boat as you are or at least not to the same extent.

To some posters his threads are no doubt redundant but that probably isn't a hard and fast rule for everyone.

What's your favorite bop date? What is rhythm? How do jazz musicians count? What is the worst Curtis Fuller date? Does time mean something to you? How do you feel about altered chords? Has your mother related to you and your music interests? How tall are your favorite jazz musicians? Did King Oliver appreciate what Louis did in the late '20s?

Oops, I made a big mistake - he would not have asked the last question. Forgive my error.

signed,

Hard assed mf tired of all this shit

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Just ignore him if he bugs you that much. To be honest with you I don't remember any of those threads you mentioned. If a thread doesn't interest me or if it bothers me I just skip it. Life is too goddamned short as it is to get your blood pressure ratcheted up at a bulletin board.

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I wonder if harbopjazz knows about the previous Chuck Nessa is an asshole and a jerk thread yet?          :P

or was that on BN?

It was on BN. I was so proud I saved it as a word file. If the demand is high I will post it

I hereby demand that you post it. :party:

Posted

I wonder if harbopjazz knows about the previous Chuck Nessa is an asshole and a jerk thread yet?          :P

or was that on BN?

It was on BN. I was so proud I saved it as a word file. If the demand is high I will post it

I hereby demand that you post it. :party:

Here it is. I have no clue how the bb software will format it.

WHY IS CHUCK NESSA SUCH A JERK?

Soulstation1

Member

Member # 1047

posted July 14, 2002 08:26 PM

please chuck nessa you don't need to respond, you are better than the regular folk.

you'd probably edit it anyways....

ss1

[ July 14, 2002: Message edited by: soulstation1 ]

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J.A.W.

Member # 1817

posted July 14, 2002 10:38 PM

This is disgusting and totally uncalled for.

Hans

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slb

Member # 2977

posted July 15, 2002 04:49 AM

Yeah, what is this all about? Chuck brings a unique perspective to the board, and

doubtless his posts are of value to many people. There is no need for this here.

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grey

Member # 715

posted July 15, 2002 04:53 AM

Originally posted by slb:

Yeah, what is this all about?

I was wondering also. You have to go to the Discography Forum where it originates.

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Shrdlu

Member # 2700

posted July 15, 2002 05:47 AM

I sure don't appreciate seeing thread titles like this, WHOEVER they are aimed at. In this

case, I can't recall anything jerky that Chuck has posted, and I'm not going to look.

Moderator, moderator?

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JuJu

Member # 708

posted July 15, 2002 06:07 AM

*Sigh* I suppose now we'll have to read about how Mr. Nessa should now be banned.

After all those years Mr. Nessa spent helping to get good jazz into people's hands, to be

treated like, on a jazz board! is amazing. SS1, please take it off board next time.

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Chris Albertson

Member # 551

posted July 15, 2002 06:08 AM

Obviously, the person who calls him/herself "Soulstation1" hasn't a clue. Chuck Nessa

has an impressive background in the jazz and recording field, and I am glad that he

brings it to this BBS.

If there is a jerk here, it is the one who started this thread.

Ignore this nonsense and keep posting, Chuck.

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Gene Harris

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Member # 1529

posted July 15, 2002 06:29 AM

I think Jeff's question was a reasonable one (and very common on this board) but his

reaction against Chuck went overboard.

Nevertheless, I find Chuck to be an ornery poster fairly often. Anyone else notice the

time that someone advised him to "take a chill pill" and Chuck told him he doesn't know

him well enough to tell him that?!

If Chuck didn't want to make an obnoxious comment, all he had to say was that he is

not someone who obsesses over what reissues sound the best, that he is only

concerned about the music.

Again, Jeff went overboard but I don't think Chuck is blameless.

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Fran

Member # 1756

posted July 15, 2002 07:20 AM

ignore

Ignore

IGNORE

ignore

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ghost of miles

Member # 620

posted July 15, 2002 07:36 AM

Posted by Kevin in another thread:

quote:

If you can't let go of your hostility toward Chuck, why don't you take it off

line and hash things out through e-mail or PM. The board has been through

enough turmoil and I don't think we need two more threads that will cause

boardmembers to choose sides or go on and on in debates that are really

exercises in futility.

Ditto. C'mon, SoulStation, do the right thing & delete this thread. It looks like what it

is--a personal attack on somebody who adds a lot to the discussions here, and who

doesn't deserve this, whatever the nature of your quibble with him.

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olé

Member # 2859

posted July 15, 2002 07:43 AM

I don't know how deeply rooted this anger is, but what about some (mutual) apologies?

Soulstation, give this week a new start. Chuck, accept and go in peace. Who dares to

take the first step?

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shrugs

Member # 356

posted July 15, 2002 07:44 AM

Chuck is a great guy(even if I don't share his feelings for David Murray).

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J.A.W.

Member # 1817

posted July 15, 2002 07:46 AM

quote:

Originally posted by olé:

I don't know how deeply rooted this anger is, but what about some

(mutual) apologies? Soulstation, give this week a new start. Chuck,

accept and go in peace. Who dares to take the first step?

As for Chuck, see this thread, post #17 if I counted correctly; anyway, I mean Chuck's

most recent post.

Hans

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J.A.W.

Member # 1817

posted July 15, 2002 07:49 AM

quote:

Originally posted by shrugs:

Chuck is a great guy(even if I don't share his feelings for David

Murray).

Shrugs,

Couldn't agree more.

Hans

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weizen

Member # 833

posted July 15, 2002 07:53 AM

Jeff, I'd only take it down if he'd agree to state publicly that he's an enthusiastic

supporter of :

1) Ted Nugent

2) Charleton Heston

3) Dick Cheney

4) Harold Lands Take Aim

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olé

Member # 2859

posted July 15, 2002 07:59 AM

Hans you're right. Chuck shows some dignity here. Buy the way, I notice more and more

that 'older' members are criticizing young or new jazz fans with (according to

them)absolutely no feeling for this great music. This makes me feel very anxious. I

hoped the board could help me develop my knowledge. I state clearly that I'm not

interested in every reissue and every lessknown record. I just want the essentials

(there's enough of them I guess, counting already 250 discs in my collection) and hope

you guys can show me the way. Anyway (maybe this should be the title of a thread?) I

hope this site is not for the elite. Ban obnoxious people but show some mercy for

'ignorants'.

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hardbop

Member # 278

posted July 15, 2002 08:13 AM

I've gotta line up on the side of SoulStation on this one. Chuck Nessa can be obnoxious.

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PD

Member # 1816

posted July 15, 2002 08:26 AM

Can't we all????

this thread should have been deleted long ago.

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Chris Albertson

Member # 551

posted July 15, 2002 08:30 AM

quote:

Originally posted by olé:

Ban obnoxious people but show some mercy for 'ignorants'.

Sometimes you will see remarkable tolerance for posters who are obnoxious and ignorant

(they know who they are).

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lil' billy

Member # 2578

posted July 15, 2002 08:33 AM

This thread has no place on the BNBB. Personal attacks just DO NOT belong.

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shrugs

Member # 356

posted July 15, 2002 08:33 AM

quote:

Originally posted by hardbop:

I've gotta line up on the side of SoulStation on this one. Chuck Nessa

can be obnoxious.

PKB

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JSngry

Member # 1611

posted July 15, 2002 08:38 AM

Jeff, your posts are usually among my favorites, but in this case you are just plain

wrong, both by what you say and how you're going about saying it. Everybody gets a

little crusty once in a while. EVERYBODY. It's always the sane thing to do to just let it

slide, but when it's somebody who the vast majority of the time offers invaluable

information, unique insight, true knowledge, and, yes, humor, it's not just sane, it's

RIGHT. Look at the totality of what that person brings rather than the thing or two that

hacks you off. There ain't NO perfect people in this world. The crust is what brings the

pie.

Your trip with Columbia House was righteous. This one is not.

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olé

Member # 2859

posted July 15, 2002 08:41 AM

I never implied Chuck to be obnoxious! Let's call it bad tempered. We all feel that way

sometimes, but when I am, I personally don't feel like posting. Obnoxious in my opinion

are posters who take pleasure in using rude and disrespectful language.

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impossible

Member # 515

posted July 15, 2002 08:41 AM

If Blue Note was to ban every ass-hole on the board, there wouldn't be many of us

left...

BTW, I don't think Chuck is an ass-hole. In my experience, he has been very helpful and

courteous. This is just getting out of hand, all this pointing and tattling and taking

sides.

I have resisted getting involved in most of the "ban (username), do this, do that"

discussions for fear of sounding like a hypocrit as many of the contributors to these

threads have, but this is just too much guys. Give it a rest please. Some of us enjoy

coming to the board to talk about music with a wide variety of people. One of the most

valuable aspects of this board is the diversity. So not everyone was raised by Ann

Landers. SFW. All this etiquette is just unnecessary.

Cliques…

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shrugs

Member # 356

posted July 15, 2002 08:43 AM

"What happens at sea, stays at sea."

If I didn't follow that when serving onboard submarines, I would have never done

anything with most of my fellow crewmembers. Because like Jim said, everybody gets

crusty. And when you are ready to kill someone one day at sea and the next day you

are having a beer with them while watching........, IT JUST DOESN'T MATTER!!!!

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JSngry

Member # 1611

posted July 15, 2002 08:51 AM

And as a general question, whatever happened to the concept of actually paying

attention to what more experienced people have to say, even it might rub us the wrong

way? What could be taken as abrasive might actually be a condensed dose of reality, a

lesson, even. Myself, if I know that the teacher is good, I'll take my lessons no matter

how hard they are.

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Joe Christmas

Member # 119

posted July 15, 2002 08:55 AM

quote:

Originally posted by shrugs:

"What happens at sea, stays at sea."

I still harbor ill feelings for the time you called me "assmuffin" in the Gulf of Alaska. Prick.

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olé

Member # 2859

posted July 15, 2002 08:56 AM

Impossible, I agree.

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impossible

Member # 515

posted July 15, 2002 09:04 AM

quote:

Originally posted by Joe Christmas:

I still harbor ill feelings for the time you called me "assmuffin" in the

Gulf of Alaska. Prick.

Assmuffin sounds like a term of endearment Al. I think you misunderstood! Shrugs?

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hardbop

Member # 278

posted July 15, 2002 09:05 AM

No one said "ban him from the board". When one (yours truly) starts a thread with a

benign discographical question and a response from him is "why don't you think about

buying a discography" that is obnoxious. It isn't his chat board. That type of discourse

is uncalled for and I'm glad Soulstation started this thread.

He also makes snide remarks in an insulting tone toward people here.

Mr. Nessa is getting what he deserves.

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Jim R

Member # 116

posted July 15, 2002 09:09 AM

quote:

Originally posted by Gene Harris Fanatic:

I think Jeff's question was a reasonable one (and very common on

this board) but his reaction against Chuck went overboard.

Nevertheless, I find Chuck to be an ornery poster fairly often. Anyone

else notice the time that someone advised him to "take a chill pill"

and Chuck told him he doesn't know him well enough to tell him that?!

If Chuck didn't want to make an obnoxious comment, all he had to say

was that he is not someone who obsesses over what reissues sound

the best, that he is only concerned about the music.

Again, Jeff went overboard but I don't think Chuck is blameless.

In a nutshell.

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impossible

Member # 515

posted July 15, 2002 09:11 AM

quote:

Originally posted by hardbop:

It isn't his chat board.

It's his chat board as much as it is ours!

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shrugs

Member # 356

posted July 15, 2002 09:20 AM

quote:

Originally posted by Joe Christmas:

I still harbor ill feelings for the time you called me "assmuffin" in the

Gulf of Alaska. Prick.

I think you are confusing me with the XO.

Cabin Boy.....

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Chris Albertson

Member # 551

posted July 15, 2002 09:43 AM

quote:

Originally posted by hardbop:

He also makes snide remarks in an insulting tone toward people here.

Mr. Nessa is getting what he deserves.

Hmmmm, sounds ve-e-e-ry familiar. I don't suppose your snide remarks and insulting

tones....well, let's just say that people who live in glass houses shouldn't....

In fact, you have made so many obnoxious, idiotic posts here that I can understand

why Chuck gave you that little slap in the pixels.

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hardbop

Member # 278

posted July 15, 2002 09:50 AM

quote:

Originally posted by Chris Albertson:

Hmmmm, sounds ve-e-e-ry familiar. I don't suppose your snide

remarks and insulting tones....well, let's just say that people who live

in glass houses shouldn't....

In fact, you have made so many obnoxious, idiotic posts here that I

can understand why Chuck gave you that little slap in the pixels.

Take some of your own advice misanthrope.

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Chris Albertson

Member # 551

posted July 15, 2002 10:05 AM

quote:

Originally posted by hardbop:

Take some of your own advice misanthrope.

Proving my point--thanks!

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Mnytime

Member # 1077

posted July 15, 2002 10:53 AM

Is there really any point for a thread like this on a Jazz BBS Board? Is there any point to

many of the posts on this board these days in general?

This is yet another thread that lets us know that the supposed moderator of this board:

1. No Longer Exists

2. Is asleep on the job

3. Doesn't care and is only there to collect a check and hope no one notices he is not

doing his job.

4. Has no supervision from anyone at Blue Note, which explains 2 & 3.

From Webster's Dictionary:

Main Entry: mod·er·a·tor

Pronunciation: 'mä-d&-"rA-t&r

Function: noun

Date: circa 1560

1 : one who arbitrates : MEDIATOR

2 : one who presides over an assembly, meeting, or discussion: as a : the presiding

officer of a governing body b : the nonpartisan presiding officer of a town meeting c :

the chairman of a discussion group

Does anyone think this definition describes the so-called Moderator of this board?

As bad as Mark at Verve was a thread like this would not have been allowed on the

Verve Board. You know things are getting bad on this board when anything about the

Verve Board can be compared in a more favorable light.

Can anyone explain why if this board has a moderator this thread has not been deleted

long ago? Are we to now understand that threads whose whole purpose is to attack

another poster is allowed on the Blue Note Board?

[ July 15, 2002: Message edited by: Mnytime ]

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RDK

Member # 968

posted July 15, 2002 11:10 AM

I always thought that this board _did not_ have a moderator. I thought both Tom and

Bo made that clear time and time again, letting us police ourselves so to speak. Tom

was here to answer questions, while Bo took care of the technical details of running the

software, etc. But as far as I'm aware, there never was/is anyone to read each and

every post and edit/delete accordingly.

Now whether or not this board _should_ have a full-time moderator is another

question...

Ray

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"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world. The unreasonable man persists in

trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable

man" - G.B. Shaw

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berigan

Member # 2931

posted July 15, 2002 11:45 AM

quote:

Originally posted by RDK:

I always thought that this board _did not_ have a moderator. I

thought both Tom and Bo made that clear time and time again, letting

us police ourselves so to speak. Tom was here to answer questions,

while Bo took care of the technical details of running the software,

etc. But as far as I'm aware, there never was/is anyone to read each

and every post and edit/delete accordingly.

Now whether or not this board _should_ have a full-time moderator is

another question...

Ray

I am sure Blue Note makes just tons of money off of this board.........Yes, lets see some

of their budget go to babysitting us all, and away from frivolous pursuits like new

artists, and reissues....(This is not aimed at anyone in particular-no one get angry at

me over this, there are so other , better reasons to get mad at me )

"To beer, the cause of, and solution to all of our problems!" Homer Jay Simpson

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Mnytime

Member # 1077

posted July 15, 2002 12:21 PM

quote:

Originally posted by berigan:

I am sure Blue Note makes just tons of money off of this

board.........Yes, lets see some of their budget go to babysitting us all,

and away from frivolous pursuits like new artists, and reissues....(This

is not aimed at anyone in particular-no one get angry at me over this,

there are so other , better reasons to get mad at me )

Yes, there are better reasons.

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Brandon Burke

Member # 2742

posted July 15, 2002 01:50 PM

C'mon you guys. The fact that our national pastime is crumbling is enough of a bummer

all its own. We don't need this mess too. We come here to goof around in our spare

time -- Ha! -- help others with their questions and hopefully learn a little ourselves.

Let's keep it at that.

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PD

Member # 1816

posted July 15, 2002 03:53 PM

quote:

Originally posted by Brandon Burke:

[QB]C'mon you guys. The fact that our national pastime is crumbling is

enough of a bummer all its own.

QB]

So don't eat crackers in bed while....

OOH!!! wrong pastime!!!....sorry

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Rooster Ties

Member # 2057

posted July 15, 2002 06:04 PM

(The original thread is gone (thankfully), where Chuck Nessa snapped a bit at SS1), but

I wanted to go on record as saying that I think this whole episode is pretty damn pitiful.

Chuck may be a little terse in a few of his posts (maybe quite a few) -- but then some

might consider that a part of his charm. He's got strong opinions (as many of us do),

but (IMHO) he's been down enough roads in this 'industry' (much as I hate that term),

to pretty much say whatever he likes, however he likes to say it. (And personally, I

don't think his original 'snap' at SS1 in the other thread warranted the multiple ugly

replies he got in return.)

(And heck, I've even seen on a number of occasions where Chuck has gone on record

as apologizing if his slightly 'in-your-face' manner got taken the wrong way.)

I rarely (if ever) get in the middle of any of the 'character' arguments going on around

the BNBB, but I have to say that I think this is all pretty damn sad.

Chuck's a big boy, and surely he can take it (and has probably taken much worse over

the years) - but I don't think he deserves it, especially in this case.

I generally enjoy and respect the opinions of lots of people around these parts, including

some people I was surprised to see come down on Mr. Nessa.

I'm hoping this all blows over soon, and we can get back to discussing more interesting

topics - instead of beating up on each other - which just turns people off, and chases

off some subset of the people who are here to share ideas, and learn from each other.

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Posted

I wonder if harbopjazz knows about the previous Chuck Nessa is an asshole and a jerk thread yet?          :P

or was that on BN?

It was on BN. I was so proud I saved it as a word file. If the demand is high I will post it

I hereby demand that you post it. :party:

Here it is. I have no clue how the bb software will format it.

WHY IS CHUCK NESSA SUCH A JERK?

[snip]

such a lengthy thread and no answer? maybe we should have another one ^_^

Posted

Live shows and festivals is the least active for me, but I'll go anywhere if there's a chance to get off a smartass comment...

Speaking of which, I trust you're not going to miss the San Jose Fest this year. Next weekend!

As for me, you won't catch my in Politics.

Posted

Now wait a gosh darn second. I could have piled on Chuck like Hardbop did. Instead, I gave a nuanced comment which said that Chuck is often ornery but doesn't deserve this attack:

I think Jeff's question was a reasonable one (and very common on this board) but his reaction against Chuck went overboard.

Nevertheless, I find Chuck to be an ornery poster fairly often. Anyone else notice the time that someone advised him to "take a chill pill" and Chuck told him he doesn't know him well enough to tell him that?!

If Chuck didn't want to make an obnoxious comment, all he had to say was that he is not someone who obsesses over what reissues sound the best, that he is only

concerned about the music.

Again, Jeff went overboard but I don't think Chuck is blameless.

And please note down below that our own Jim R. agreed with my comments.

Posted

Not sure.

Once again I just grabbed an image off Google. Those bastards are really putting me in a bad spot. <_<

I think it's supposed to be a black and tan.

Allow me to make it up to you.

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