VSOP "Live Under the Sky" reissue Aug 17

[CJ Shearn]

I have the French reissue of this, but will get the new reissue for the extra tracks. (although I feel Tempest in the Colosseum is a much stronger album compared to this) According to Jazzmatazz there are a total of 10 new tracks. Will half of these be the "Five Stars" studio album? Thanks

Edited July 28, 2004 by CJ Shearn

[PHILLYQ]

Somewhere there was a thread on this with the tracks listed. Where?...

[robviti]

here's the track listing for the upcoming 2cd reissue. i wasn't able to find the source of the bonus tracks (*).

Disc 1

1. Opening

2. Eye of the Hurricane*

3. Tear Drops

4. Domo

5. Para Oriente

6. Pee Wee

7. One of Another Kind

8. Fragile

Disc 2

1. Opening*

2. Eye of the Hurricane*

3. Tear Drops*

4. Domo*

5. Para Oriente*

6. Pee Wee*

7. One of Another Kind*

8. Fragile*

9. Stella by Starlight*

10. On Green Dolphin Street*

[Eric]

I know there were a couple of Japan only live VSOP records - I wonder if these bonus tracks come from there?

[Michael Fitzgerald]

The Lord discography shows this entry:

Eye of the hurricane

[H1349-4] Herbie Hancock

Live under the sky: The V.S.O.P. Quintet:

Freddie Hubbard (tp,flhrn) Wayne Shorter (sop,ts) Herbie Hancock (p) Ron Carter (b) Tony Williams (d)

Concert "Den-En Colosseum", Tokyo, Japan, July 26, 1979

One of another kind CBS/Sony (Jap)40AP1037/8, SME (Jap)SRCS5823/4 [CD]

Teardrop - -

Pee Wee - -

Para oriente - -

Fragile - -

Domo - -

(Medley - -

Stella by starlight - -

On Green Dolphin Street - -

Eye of the hurricane -

Note: All titles on CBS/Sony (Jap)40AP1037/8 also on CBS/Sony (Jap)40DP5610/1 [CD].

The formatting is lost - what this says is that Eye of the Hurricane first came out on the CD issue.

So, I'm confused. It looks to me that the SECOND disc is the Live Under The Sky album since the medley appears there. Or have they left off the original medley and replaced it with a previously unissued medley - I hate when labels do that.

There are no other previously issued VSOP albums that include Para Oriente or Domo, and the other VSOP Japan-only albums don't match that setlist.

Mike

Edited August 1, 2004 by Michael Fitzgerald

[CJ Shearn]

I'm confused too Mike, thanks for the info. "Para Oriente" (aka La Maison Goree, and Ancient Eyes, Soweto Nights) and "Domo" are issued on the French version of "Live Under the Sky" which is the edition I own, still I plan to upgrade. According to the liners notes "Eye of the Hurricane" was recorded, but not released b/c a version already appeared on "Tempest in the Colosseum", also "Eye of the Hurricane" was performed before the horrible rainstorm which you hear affecting the instruments (especially Wayne) resumed.

[bertrand]

For what its' worth (not all that much), the entry on Wayne at jazzdisco.org shows the following:

V.S.O.P.

Freddie Hubbard (tp) Wayne Shorter (ss, ts) Herbie Hancock (p) Ron Carter (b) Tony Williams (d)

'Live Under the Sky', Tokyo, Japan, July 26, 1979

One of Another Kind CBS/Sony [J] 40AP 1037/38

Teardrop -

Pee Wee -

Para Oriente -

Fragile -

Domo -

Stella by Starlight / On Green Dolphin Street -

* Live Under the Sky / V.S.O.P. (CBS/Sony [J] 40AP 1037/38)

V.S.O.P.

same personnel

'Live Under the Sky', Tokyo, Japan, July 29, 1979

Skagly CBS/Sony [J] 40AP 1036

Finger Painting -

Mutants on the Beach -

Circe -

* Five Stars / V.S.O.P. (CBS/Sony [J] 40AP 1036)

I was really hoping that the US CD would include the four tracks from 7/29 - I'm really pissed off; this is one of the few Wayne sessions I'm missing.

'Circe' is supposed to be 'Atlantis'. I'm not sure about the alternate titles that C.J. gives for 'Para Oriente' - I knew this tune first as 'Angel Street'.

Bertrand.

[CJ Shearn]

Bertrand, thanks for correcting me........... Para Oriente is *not* the two tunes I listed, I just remembered that "Angel Street" has the same melody but expanded on I think.

[Bill B]

CD Universe has posted a new issue date-Sept 7, 2004

[Peter]

No Shorter compositions? Does he get much solo space?

[Dave James]

Is this one out yet? Alan's Jazzmatazz website still lists it on the 7th, but Amazon has bumped it back to the 21st.

Up over and out.

[PHILLYQ]

Is this one out yet? Alan's Jazzmatazz website still lists it on the 7th, but Amazon has bumped it back to the 21st.

Up over and out.

Jandr.com also has it for 9/21 release.

[Uncle Skid]

Anyone have this yet? On sale at CD Universe for $16.89.

[GregK]

Anyone have this yet? On sale at CD Universe for $16.89.

I got this today at Borders, $11.99, not a sale, that's list price. I actually had to ask the info desk for help- I was there around 12:30 and they still hadn't put it out yet. I went with the info clerk to the cart where they had all of today's new releases to be filed, and plucked out the only copy! Good price. I'm liking it so far, but where the hell is Wayne? Is he even on this? His solo in Tear Drop sounds pretty pedestrian for him. Lots of good Freddie Hubbard though

[CJ Shearn]

GregK, scroll up to my post from August 1st, I hope that could provide some info as to Wayne not sounding that great.

Edited September 22, 2004 by CJ Shearn

[GregK]

GregK, scroll up to my post from August 1st, I hope that could provide some info as to Wayne not sounding that great.

yes, I'm aware of the rainstorm and all, but I guess what I'm wondering is why no Shorter compositions, and why is his playing so mild? I have no idea what playing in a rainstorm would be like, so maybe I'm being unfair.

Why are Belden's liner notes dated April 2003?

[CJ Shearn]

I have no idea why their dated April 2003 maybe thats when he wrote them and they did the mastering and everything, just a guess. And no, I don't think you're being unfair about Wayne's playing at all, I see your point about his playing seeming quite mild.

[alankin]

Why are Belden's liner notes dated April 2003?

Because Sony is releasing the set a year after originally scheduled? How many months (years?) old will the Cellar Door liner notes be when that set is finally released?

[CJ Shearn]

I picked up the set the other day, I actually think Wayne's playing is pretty good, the resequenced set order of the original album makes for a more enjoyable listen I think over the French reissue.

[GregK]

I picked up the set the other day, I actually think Wayne's playing is pretty good, the resequenced set order of the original album makes for a more enjoyable listen I think over the French reissue.

yes, I too think Wayne's playing is good, just not as interesting as he can be

[Alon Marcus]

Sorry for an ignorant question, but, does anyone know what V.S.O.P means ?

[CJ Shearn]

V.S.O.P.- Very Special One time Performance. But as we know, that supposed one time gig in 1976, turned into a long term thing.

[7/4]

COURVOISIER - VSOP

Description: A fine Champagne cognac made exclusively from the grande and petite champagnes, which are the best quality grapes from the Cognac region.

Aged for 8-12 years in Limousin and Troncais oak barrels.

Amber in colour, silky smooth with some chocolate overtones and a nutty, slightly citrus finish. Hints of vanilla, grilled almonds and port wine. VSOP stands for 'Very Special Old Pale'

[JSngry]

VSOP actually stands for "Very Special/Superior Old Pale". It's the highest quality of cognac. As such, it's natural that the initials would have been adopted for this use, and a new meaning created to take advantage of the synonymity with quality.

Check it out: http://www.cognac-co.com/FAQ.htm

[JSngry]

Oops, too slow.