dave9199 Posted July 24, 2004 Report Posted July 24, 2004 The night Johnny Coles collapsed is also the Sue Mingus issue called Revenge on the Revenge label. That's right, right? Brownie, edit your 1954 to 1964. B) Quote
JSngry Posted July 24, 2004 Report Posted July 24, 2004 Maybe it WAS 1954 and the strain from travelling the time warp is what caused Coles to collapse! Quote
brownie Posted July 24, 2004 Report Posted July 24, 2004 The night Johnny Coles collapsed is also the Sue Mingus issue called Revenge on the Revenge label. That's right, right? Brownie, edit your 1954 to 1964. B) Done. What's a 10-year difference? Quote
Chuck Nessa Posted July 24, 2004 Report Posted July 24, 2004 If you have the 3LP album keep that one. It has music by that fantastic group which has not been reissued since, as far as I know. In 1991 Musidisc issued a cd version of the America lps. Quote
couw Posted July 24, 2004 Report Posted July 24, 2004 Photo of Eric, intended to finish off last night's gallery, but delayed when the squirrel collapsed... I ran into the same problem. this pic is also used in the new CD release. I'm too lazy to look it up in google, but does the Revenge set include all of the Salle Wagram material? Quote
Chuck Nessa Posted July 24, 2004 Report Posted July 24, 2004 I'm too lazy to look it up in google, but does the Revenge set include all of the Salle Wagram material? Revenge contains the April 17 concert but excludes Sophisticated Lady. Quote
skeith Posted July 25, 2004 Author Report Posted July 25, 2004 So, Brownie, sorry to be dense, but it's still confusing- apparently nothing was recorded at the Salle Wagram on April 18th if I read your post correclty because it didn't start until after midnight. Also then my France's Concert disc recorded at the Salle Wagram on the 18th (misprint??) and includes Peggy's Blue Skylight is a completely different concert from what is on the new Verve reissue, right? Quote
kh1958 Posted July 25, 2004 Report Posted July 25, 2004 If I recall correctly, there are two discs on France Concert which are the April 17 concert, the same one as released on Revenge, not the one released on The Great Concert, which is the succeeding performance. Quote
kh1958 Posted July 25, 2004 Report Posted July 25, 2004 Here's a link to a discography of the recordings of the Mingus 1964 European tour. http://webusers.siba.fi/~eonttone//mingus/1964.html Quote
brownie Posted July 25, 2004 Report Posted July 25, 2004 So, Brownie, sorry to be dense, but it's still confusing- apparently nothing was recorded at the Salle Wagram on April 18th if I read your post correclty because it didn't start until after midnight. Also then my France's Concert disc recorded at the Salle Wagram on the 18th (misprint??) and includes Peggy's Blue Skylight is a completely different concert from what is on the new Verve reissue, right? I did not state that nothing was recorded at the Salle Wagram concert. I stated that the opening sections of that Salle Wagram were incorporated in the original 3LP release of the Great Concert. Completely forgot about the FCD releases, the two CD releases from the Salle Wagram concerts. That label disappeared and the various releases from French concerts (other albums from that company had concert tapes from John Coltrane, Bill Evans, Thelonious Monk, Roland Kirk, Coleman Hawkins, Stuff Smith, etc.). Those releases disappeared after T.S. Monk Jr and relatives of Bill Evans - among others - attacked the label and won their case in the French courts. Very, very rare items nowadays. The link that kh1958 provided is the best available roundup I know of that confused episode in Charles Mingus European tour of 1964. Quote
Chalupa Posted July 27, 2004 Report Posted July 27, 2004 (edited) If you have the 3LP album keep that one. It has music by that fantastic group which has not been reissued since, as far as I know. On your recommendation, I just pick this up on vinyl at lunch for $15. It's the Prestige version and it's in VG+ condition(both cover/vinyl). Thanks for the heads up Also, found Ray Charles Modern Sounds in Country and Western lp(MONO) for 5 bucks! Edited July 27, 2004 by Chalupa Quote
Jim Dye Posted October 5, 2004 Report Posted October 5, 2004 Finally picked this one up. It's great to have this on CD again. (I used to have the musidisc CD version.) I don't see any mention of this in the liners, but does anyone know if this is a mono recording? Sounds like it to me, but i'm not exactly sure. Thanks Quote
B. Goren. Posted October 5, 2004 Report Posted October 5, 2004 It's a mono recording, for sure. Even if it's a mono recording, the music wins. Quote
jazzbo Posted October 5, 2004 Report Posted October 5, 2004 Definitely! And this new version has extra material and improved sound. . . win win! I LOVE this tour! Quote
Jim Dye Posted October 6, 2004 Report Posted October 6, 2004 Yeah, big win!!! The sound is GREAT. The music is GREAT. My reissure of the year for sure. I was just curious if my ears are still working. Thanks guys. Quote
RDK Posted November 19, 2004 Report Posted November 19, 2004 Man, this 1964 European tour is a discographical mess! Sure is hard to keep straight. I have the old "Great Concert" on LP, but it appears now that parts of that were taken (edited) from other shows, with only this latest CD release offering the complete show (sans encore apparently). I just ordered this disc, but meanwhile I've been listening to the Stuttgart show from 4/28/64 (or at least what's supposed to be the Stuttgart show) and it's perhaps the most incredble show of the tour, with a 40+ minute version of "Fables." And the sound quality is great. Recently downloaded it from easytree. I think they're from newly discovered sources or something - the site's down at the moment but I'll try to post a link later. Quote
mikeweil Posted November 19, 2004 Report Posted November 19, 2004 I remember the rave reviews this got in German jazz radio shows and magazines when the first America issue came out. The deal between Fantasy and America was a mutual one, by the way - I had the first European issue of the first Creedence Clearwater Revival LP on America. Still, America was a strange label, a mixed bag of live and rare and probably partly bootleg jazz albums, some pop ... little consistency, even in the CD era. I once had a rare Anthony Braxton Quartet LP on America. Was America part of Musidisc from the beginning? And when exactly did Universal buy Musidisc? Quote
brownie Posted November 20, 2004 Report Posted November 20, 2004 Was America part of Musidisc from the beginning? And when exactly did Universal buy Musidisc? America was part of the Musidisc company. I'm pretty sure, America had a distribution deal with Musidic from the start. The original 3LP album of 'The Great Concert of Charles Mingus' has this item at the bottom of its two-page inside liner notes: 'DISTRIBUTION EXCLUSIVE POUR LE MONDE ENTIER MUSIDIC EUROPE - Philippe Thomas'. No idea who Philippe Thomas was! And no idea either on when Musidisc was bought by Universal! Quote
JSngry Posted November 20, 2004 Report Posted November 20, 2004 'DISTRIBUTION EXCLUSIVE POUR LE MONDE ENTIER MUSIDIC EUROPE - Philippe Thomas'. No idea who Philippe Thomas was! That's him on the left? Quote
brownie Posted November 20, 2004 Report Posted November 20, 2004 Jim, you show Philip Thomas. I wrote Philippe Thomas. Yours would not pass for a Frenchman Quote
Guy Berger Posted December 12, 2005 Report Posted December 12, 2005 (edited) Finally got my hands on this. Great music, though IMHO the "Meditations" on Town Hall Concert is better than this one. OTOH this concert gives a much better sense of the group's M.O. than the NYC recording. Any favorite performances from the tour? Also, why does Mingus keep stopping and laughing during the pre-"Meditations" monologue? Guy Edited December 12, 2005 by Guy Quote
clifford_thornton Posted December 12, 2005 Report Posted December 12, 2005 Maria Schneider is making faces at him? Quote
kh1958 Posted December 12, 2005 Report Posted December 12, 2005 The Great Concert presents almost the entire repertoire performed by this group. Town Hall Concert was originally advertised, I believe, as volume 1. So I don't think the entire performance has been released. I also thought this was recorded at a Town Hall in another city (Minnesota?), not in New York. These are actually my two favorite releases by this group, in terms of the combination of performance quality and recording quality. Here's hoping the Cornell University concert by the group that Sue Mingus says she has is released someday soon. Finally got my hands on this. Great music, though IMHO the "Meditations" on Town Hall Concert is better than this one. OTOH this concert gives a much better sense of the group's M.O. than the NYC recording. Any favorite performances from the tour? Also, why does Mingus keep stopping and laughing during the pre-"Meditations" monologue? Guy Quote
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