David Ayers Posted May 14, 2003 Report Posted May 14, 2003 The latest mail order catalog from Mole Jazz lists in very small print and at astronomical prices a series of 24 bit remasters from Black Lion. These includeall three volumes of Monk's The London Collection. There are 36 titles in total including Donald Byrd/Groovin for Nat, Albert Ayler/Witches and Devils, Cecil Taylor/ Silent Tongues and many other thrills. Are these remasters which have been issued in the US, or new remasters commissioned by DA Music (=Black Lion parent company)? Has anyone heard these new remasters? Mole are charging full price (15.99 UKP). Can they be obtained mid price? Can anyone point to a full online list of these titles? At the moment, only Mole seem to have them. Quote
JohnS Posted May 14, 2003 Report Posted May 14, 2003 I was sent a copy of the Art Ensemble Of Chicago's The Spiritual in a trade from the Slovak Republic. It sounds okay but I don't know the original to compare. Has a slipcase though as well as slightly more appealing presentation. Can't really believe that these are meant to sell at full price. Quote
David Ayers Posted May 14, 2003 Author Report Posted May 14, 2003 I agree John. I do like to support Mole, but the price is surprisingly high. Quote
Claude Posted May 14, 2003 Report Posted May 14, 2003 I recently bought the Monk Complete London recordings 3CD box for 10 Euro at www.zweitausendeins.de . This came out in 1989. Monk, Thelonious "THE COMPLETE LONDON COLLECTION 15.11.71" (Hackensack, Ruby my dear, Misterioso, Trinkle tinkle, Nice work if you can get it, Lover man u.a.) Mit Art Blakey & Al McKibbon. Black Lion. 3 CDs 9.99 EUR The sound is very good, some of the best recorded Monk on CD. I don't think the 24Bit versions can improve this very much. Quote
Rooster_Ties Posted May 14, 2003 Report Posted May 14, 2003 (edited) Question: Are either of Charles Tolliver's or Stanley Cowell's Black Lion dates in this list of remastered titles??? (4 total, 2 each.) Edited May 14, 2003 by Rooster_Ties Quote
David Ayers Posted May 14, 2003 Author Report Posted May 14, 2003 Question: Are either of Charles Tolliver's or Stanley Cowell's Black Lion dates in this list of remastered titles??? (4 total, 2 each.) I don't think so. I don't have the list to hadn't but I will check later today. I don't have a scanner otherwise I'd scan it in. I am getting the impression some of these are related to 1201 releases, but I haven't been able to check. Quote
JohnS Posted May 14, 2003 Report Posted May 14, 2003 I didn't make the connection earlier but these are mid price-Crazy Jazz has them listed at £8.95. Quote
David Ayers Posted May 14, 2003 Author Report Posted May 14, 2003 I didn't make the connection earlier but these are mid price-Crazy Jazz has them listed at £8.95. Crazy Jazz lists a few of these, but not the majority. The handful they have just listed doesn't guarantee that the mid price point is right, though it is promising. Quote
David Ayers Posted May 14, 2003 Author Report Posted May 14, 2003 (edited) Well, uhhhh, here's the list in numerical order... Billie Holiday, At Storyville, 877625 Ben Webster, There is no Greater Love, 877626 Serge Chaloff, The Fable of Mabel, 877627 Dexter Gordon, Body and Soul, 877628 Louis Armstrong’s All Stars, Basin Street Blues, 877629 Stephane Grapelli, Stardust, 877630 Miles Davis, Boppin the Blues, 877631 Sidney Bechet, At Storyville, 877632 Cecil Taylor, Silent Tongues, 877633 Barney Kessel, Autumn Leaves, 877634 Thelonius Monk, The London Collection Vol 1, 877635 Albert Ayler, Witches and Devils, 877636 Art Tatum, The V Discs, 877637 Bud Powell, The Essen Jazz Festival Concert, 877638 Ben Webster, Stormy Weather, 877639 Sun Ra, Janus, 877640 Slide Hampton, World of trombone, 877641 Sonny Stitt, Autumn in New York, 877642 Sun Ra, Standards, 877643 Ben Webster, Gone with the Wind, 877644 Nat King Cole and Buddy Rich, Anatomy of a Jam Session, 877645 Art Tatum, Standards, 877646 Stephane Grapelli, Meets Barney Kessel, 877647 Teddy Wilson, Cole Porter Classics, 877648 Dexter Gordon, Take The ‘A’ Train, 877649 Grant Green, Reaching Out, 877650 Art Ensemble of Chicago, The Spiritual, 877651 Earl Hines, Tour de Force, 877652 Andre Previn, Previn at Sunset, 877653 Donald Byrd, Groovin for Nat, 877654 Pee Wee Russell, We’re in the Money, 877655 Lee Konitz, At Storyville, 877656 Thelonious Monk, The London Collection Vol 3, 877657 Zoot Sims and Bob Brookmeyer, Morning Fun, 877658 Duke Ellington, The Feeling of Jazz, 877659 Don Byas, A Night in Tunisia, 877660 Count Basie, Class of ‘54, 877661 Dollar Brand, Reflections, 877662 Wardell Gray, One for Prez, 877663 Edited May 15, 2003 by David Ayers Quote
Guest Mnytime Posted May 14, 2003 Report Posted May 14, 2003 (edited) These are being reissued by 1201 Music. Here is the label's online address http://1201music.com/ Also, for awhile you could get many of them from here for $5.99-$6.99. They only have a few of them still available last I checked http://www.daedalusbooks.com/Products/Sear...humnail=Y&Sort= Edited May 14, 2003 by Mnytime Quote
bertrand Posted May 14, 2003 Report Posted May 14, 2003 I got volume 1 and volume 3 of the London Collection (1201 version) at Daedalus for about $7 each. But they never had volume 2. Based on this fact, and the fact that the link above does not show volume 2, it is not clear that volume 2 ever came out as a 1201. Bertrand. Quote
Chuck Nessa Posted May 14, 2003 Report Posted May 14, 2003 Volume 2 of the Monk has not been reissued on Black Lion either. The complete list of the 24 bit reissues can be viewed on the DA Music site, which offers them for sale at 13 euros. Quote
Guest Mnytime Posted May 14, 2003 Report Posted May 14, 2003 Only #1 & 3 came out so far. Not sure why #2 wasn't reissued before #3. Quote
David Ayers Posted May 15, 2003 Author Report Posted May 15, 2003 (edited) I managed to find the da music site. The Black Lion catalogue appears in two parts, here and here. I amended my own list (above) which is now complete. These titles seem to be the same as those released on 1201 in 1999, which are also 24 bit remastered, though I don't know if the mastering is the same . Black Lion/DA Music state they are remastered by their extra special German engineers (hopefully not the same ones who handled the OJC20 fiasco ) Edited May 15, 2003 by David Ayers Quote
Claude Posted May 15, 2003 Report Posted May 15, 2003 (edited) These titles seem to be the same as those released on 1201 in 1999, which are also 24 bit remastered, though I don't know if the mastering is the same . Black Lion/DA Music state they are remastered by their extra special German engineers (hopefully not the same ones who handled the OJC20 fiasco ) The website says: "All releases are carefully re-mastered by one of Germany's leading studio engineers (F.Thein) using all his knowledge about the music using today's state of the art technical equipment for the benefit of a new fresh listening experience" It doesn't however say which tapes they used for this new reissue. Here is the engineer's website: www.thein.de . This company looks more serious than ZYX, which is mainly releasing pop records. Mr Thein at work: Edited May 15, 2003 by Claude Quote
David Ayers Posted May 15, 2003 Author Report Posted May 15, 2003 Thanks Claude. Does anyone know if Mr Thein's masterings are the ones used for 1201 or are they different? Quote
David Ayers Posted May 17, 2003 Author Report Posted May 17, 2003 I notice that Crazy Jazz are now listing more of these titles at £8.95 - which is a bit more realistic. Quote
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