shrugs Posted May 23, 2003 Report Share Posted May 23, 2003 No problem. Take a peek at the lp new arrivals bin as well. Lots of intake lately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed S Posted May 24, 2003 Report Share Posted May 24, 2003 I saw this thread, saw the list, saw the price and could not resist - in spite of the covers. My shipment came yesterday - nicely packaged and about 5 days after I placed the order. I was only looking to fill gaps in my collection at what I found to be an arffordable price. I picked up Lonnie Smith's Turning Point, Johnny Hartman's For Trane, the two Joao Gilbertos, The two Dizzy Gillespies, Mingus' Complete Town Hall Concert, Horace Parlan's Up and Down, Annie Ross sings a song with mulligan, the Cole/Shearing, Corea's Early Circle, and Clifford Jordan. I've only listened to the Joao Gilbertos at this point. The sound is great and the music - in a word - is fabulous, excellent, superb and wonderful. I'm very glad to finally have found these - no matter what the color of the cover. I've got the Parlan on right now which is excellent as well. I've got the Parlan Mosaic on LP so I've already heard the material but wanted a CD copy as well, so this worked out for me just fine. I'm glad to have some titles that I've been looking for for some time at an affordable price. As mentioned above, they are legit and officially licensed so i had no qualms there. The covers I suppose fit the concept of the series but are - well - very, very Blue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed S Posted May 24, 2003 Report Share Posted May 24, 2003 (edited) Well, I placed my order and then posted to this thread - then read the more recent posts questioning the legitimacy of these CDs based on violation of the terms of sales in the licensing agreement. Therefore, I decided to peacefully surrender these discs to the US Marshall who appears to have just pulled into my driveway I'm with Rooster here - EMI is making their money on the sales of these through the licensing agreement with Time-Life, so screw 'em. If they want to garner profits from US sales, then release 'em in the US. If Time Life felt they could market these successfully as some sort of club then why doesn't Blue Note or Mosaic do the same thing right here in the good old USA. Many on the board have been saying that for years. In general, I do not buy Japanese releases not available in the US unless I am extremely anxious to get a title. But here comes a series of releases chockfull of titles I've been looking for at a great price and bingo- they make a sale. I can tell you that if BN or Mosaic had the vision to create such a marketing plan then the sales would have been theirs - not Freshsounds. Edited May 24, 2003 by Ed Swinnich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Out2Lunch Posted May 24, 2003 Report Share Posted May 24, 2003 I guess that I'll have to agree with you on this one Ed. Its a nice product and a nice price and I don't think that Time-Life is an outift that doesn't watch its back when it get into such an enterprise. Its a win-win situation for the cosumer. Load 'em up quickly because as soon as someone pulls a plug on these titles, the eBay wolves will come-a prowlin' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgraham333 Posted May 24, 2003 Report Share Posted May 24, 2003 I just went shopping! I placed an order for 10 discs. Most of them OOP.... or I guess as we should start calling them (WNBIPAITU = will never be in print again in the USA) I'll post here as soon as they arrive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Posted May 25, 2003 Report Share Posted May 25, 2003 I ordered a few last night as well. That site reminds me of the old, old Planet Music site in certain ways. Anyway, I always wanted to hear what the controversy about Night of the Cookers was so I ordered that, plus the Gillespies, Basra, the San Francisco Hutcherson and a Bud Powell Cd from Freshsounds, Volume 2 of Birdland 1953 (I have Volume 1). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdd Posted May 25, 2003 Report Share Posted May 25, 2003 (edited) Night of the Cookers does have some highlights. Morgan on "Walkin'" and Hubbard on "Jodo". Outside of that there's not much and certainly no real trumpet battles but I like the records. The Teddy Charles at the Museum of Modern Art is nice as well, great Booker Little and Booker Ervin. As for the blue Blue Notes, they were licenced to a certain company for a certain purpose but obviously had some left after the promotion was over and these were probably sold to a distributer and the rest is history. Probably not much can be done about this, but they're probably not huge quantities of these so fill in the gaps while you can. And for clarity, Blue Moon/Fresh Sound, one company. Discoforme/Jazz Factory one company distributed in Spain by the same company that distributes Fresh Sound/Blue Moon. Planet Music is now Jazzmessenger. My suggestion is that the people who got burned by Planet Music when they folded ask Jazzmessenger to fill their order. Has anyone tried that? Edited May 26, 2003 by kdd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aggie87 Posted May 28, 2003 Report Share Posted May 28, 2003 (edited) I placed my order on Thursday last week, and apparently the titles I purchased (Up & Down, Basra, Poppin', & True Blue) were Fedexed overnight to me, as Fedex tried to deliver them Friday afternoon. Unfortunately I wasn't available to sign for them until today, so they sat on the truck until this morning. At any rate, that's pretty quick delivery - though my shipping fees were €11. All four titles have TOCJ numbers on them. And three of them are copyright 1993 from Capitol Records, while the other (Poppin') is copyrighted 1996. All four have a "published" date of 1998 from Time Life Barcelona though. It's kinda funny though, I guess the Blue Note quality control travelled with the material to Spain. Poppin' was recorded at the "Van Gewlder" studio, and Joe Anderson apparently played on Basra. Also, two of the cover photos were taken by Francis Wolf, while the other two were by the slightly more reknowned Francis Wolff. Edited May 28, 2003 by Aggie87 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed S Posted May 29, 2003 Report Share Posted May 29, 2003 You mean "September Soung" off the Cole/Shearing could possibly be a typo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Posted May 29, 2003 Report Share Posted May 29, 2003 Well, I got my shipment and that's pretty darn fast considering I ordered it on Sunday. Of course, shipping was 17 Euros so that obviously explains the speed. The TOCJ reference is a bit curious because some of them have them and some have the US catalogue number. For example the Leo Parker does have the TOCJ number. Has that not been reissued in the US previously? Maybe they just copied these and got a license to do from BN US and BN Japan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude Posted June 2, 2003 Report Share Posted June 2, 2003 I received my package of 8 spanish Blue Notes today. As I am in my office, I cannot check the sound. I will post my experience on sound quality later. This is what the covers say on the remastering: "Domestic" remastering: - Art Blakey - Like Someone in Love (Ron McMaster) - Charles Mingus - Complete town Hall (Malcom Addey) - Ellington & Armstrong - Chick Corea - Early Circle (Addey) No remastering engineer mentioned, but TOCJ number may indicate japanese remastering: - Lee Morgan - The Cooker - Curtis Fuller - Vol.3 - Horace Parlan - Up and down - Tina Brooks - True Blue Given that True Blue usually sells for $25-40 on ebay, this 5.75 Eur CD is a great bargain, if you can stand the awful blueish covers. I have the two Blue Note cover books in LP format, so I don't care about the CD covers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgraham333 Posted June 2, 2003 Report Share Posted June 2, 2003 My shipment of 10 discs arrived. Shipped on Monday received on Thursday and in good condition, very well packaged. So far so good. Hubbard - Night of the Cookers 1 & 2 Gillespie - Village Vanguard 1 & 2 C. Parker - Storyville Mingus - Townhall LaRoca - Basra L. Parker - Let me tell you bout it Morgan - The cooker Chambers - Whims of chambers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude Posted June 2, 2003 Report Share Posted June 2, 2003 (edited) Update: WOW!! The TOCJ-marked discs are absolute winners sound-wise. I took me just a few seconds on every disc to recognize the clean full-range and undistorted sound that is a trademark of these japanese remasterings from the early to mid 90's. It would be nice to have a complete list of the spanish TOCJs. Confirmed so far: - Lee Morgan - The Cooker - Curtis Fuller - Vol.3 - Horace Parlan - Up and down - Tina Brooks - True Blue - Pete LaRoca - Basra - Hank Mobley - Poppin' Edited June 2, 2003 by Claude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riverrat Posted June 3, 2003 Report Share Posted June 3, 2003 (edited) My order from the Spanish Blue Note Collection series included these: Leo Parker "Let Me Tell You 'Bout It" TOCJ 4087 Cliff Jordan "Cliff Jordan" TOCJ 1565 Johnny Griffin "The Congregation" and Blue Mitchell "Boss Horn" do NOT have TOCJ numbers. Edited June 3, 2003 by riverrat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Out2Lunch Posted June 3, 2003 Report Share Posted June 3, 2003 From my order I got the following with TOCJ numbers: Thad Jones-"Detroit/New York Junction" TOCJ1513 Sam Rivers-"Fuchsia Swing Song" TOCJ 4184 Sonny Clark-"Sonny's Crib" TOCJ 1576 Jimmy Smith-"Softly As A Summer Breeze" TOCJ 4200 Horace Silver-"Further Explorations" TOCJ 1589 Freddie Roach-"Down To Earth" TOCJ 4113 Ike Quebec-"It Might As Well Be Spring" TOCJ 4105 Horace Silver-"Stylings of Silver" TOCJ 1562 Donald Byrd-"Off To The Races" TOCJ 4007 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soul Stream Posted June 3, 2003 Report Share Posted June 3, 2003 i ordered mine saturday... basra, cookers1&2, and something i can't remember(!).... anyway, look forward to getting them all. thanks for the tip on these! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Bresnahan Posted June 3, 2003 Report Share Posted June 3, 2003 Donald Byrd-"Off To The Races" TOCJ 4007 Intersting... the TOCJ of "Off to the Races" is in Stereo, not mono like the Mosaic box. This is worth getting even if you have the box. Later, Kevin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed S Posted June 4, 2003 Report Share Posted June 4, 2003 (edited) I went over to the Freshsounds site to browse and saw this album listed amongst the Blue Note Collection list: Pedro Iturralde Quartet Is this a mistake or is this some European Blue Note release that I've never heard of? Edited June 4, 2003 by Ed Swinnich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Out2Lunch Posted June 4, 2003 Report Share Posted June 4, 2003 According to the Tower site, they have several "Flemenco" albums by this artist in their catalog listed under Blue Note. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed S Posted June 4, 2003 Report Share Posted June 4, 2003 Thanks Tod Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soul Stream Posted June 4, 2003 Report Share Posted June 4, 2003 got mine today... Basra was a TOCJ, but... Look Out by Stan T. was the old U.S. 80's print and Night of the Cookers was the old U.S. print as well... musics nice on all, but I wish they all had been TOCJs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riverrat Posted June 4, 2003 Report Share Posted June 4, 2003 I've noticed a couple of things about Hank Mobley's "Poppin" from this series. 1. The insert actually says "made in Japan". 2. The tracks and personnel are listed on the back of the insert, but there are no liner notes. The inside of the insert is blank. Is this also the case with the "real" Japanese version? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent, Paris Posted June 4, 2003 Report Share Posted June 4, 2003 It seems obvious to me that they scanned the covers from the booklets they were able to find, which means from various sources. It may be the same for the music. I wouldn't be suprised if it had been copied from Japanese CD's, Mosaic boxsets, old US first edition CDs, etc. I am not sure that EMI/Capitol (or whoever ownes the masters) sent them a whole set of tapes covering the whole Blue Note catalog. I believe they did the collection from their own sources. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Out2Lunch Posted June 6, 2003 Report Share Posted June 6, 2003 Here are a couple more from this series with TOCJ #'s Hank Mobley-"ROLL CALL' TOCJ 4056 Sonny Red-"OUT OF THE BLUE" TOCJ 4032 Jackie McLean-"DESTINATION OUT" TOCJ 1562 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EKE BBB Posted June 6, 2003 Report Share Posted June 6, 2003 I´m one of those who got burnt by Planetmusic breakdown. Anybody have jazzmesengers´ e-mail or URL???? Thanks in advance! BTW, I´m not sure, but I think Fresh Sound/Blue Moon is a different thing from Disconforme (Jazz Factory/Definitive Records). I don´t know where Planet Music/Jazzmessengers (damn it) comes in! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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