Clunky Posted July 7, 2004 Report Posted July 7, 2004 Chuck Nessa said: couw said: Gary, listen to how Marsh pushes and pulls on the melody line, one time he's behind it, dragging it all down, at the next moment, he's in front, stumbling to meet his point as if running too fast dowhill. Warne also does the same thing with pitch. Do you have to understand this concept to appreciate the music more thoroughly.?? In all seriousness as a non musician i really struggle with the theory of what's going on most of the time. Does that matter? I simply respond on the simple level of whether I like what I hear. I like what I hear here. Quote
Chuck Nessa Posted July 7, 2004 Report Posted July 7, 2004 Clunky said: Do you have to understand this concept to appreciate the music more thoroughly.?? Absolutely not, but sometimes a recognition of the basic concepts used can be helpful. Quote
couw Posted July 7, 2004 Report Posted July 7, 2004 Chuck Nessa said: Clunky said: Do you have to understand this concept to appreciate the music more thoroughly.?? Absolutely not, but sometimes a recognition of the basic concepts used can be helpful. I haven't got a clue about music theory really, but some of these things are pretty easy to grasp and I think it is pretty cool to listen for some of these aspects once you have recognised them. Appreciation of the technique certainly adds to the enjoyment, although it doesn't change the music. I still like the disk most just for that. Quote
Lazaro Vega Posted July 7, 2004 Report Posted July 7, 2004 I tried, as a non-musician, to articulate the pitch idea on the previous post ("Easy Living"). Quote
JSngry Posted July 8, 2004 Report Posted July 8, 2004 At the risk of sounding like I'm pimping my liner essay (barf!), it (the constantly liquid usage of rhytmic and pitch variations) really IS all about the "allness", not just of music, but of life in general. Plenty of cats play some interesting shit, but how many really, REALLY, offer you insight into the truest essences of the natiure of universal existence? THAT'S why Warne Marsh was such a bad motherfucker! Quote
ajf67 Posted July 8, 2004 Report Posted July 8, 2004 I keep coming back to this thread, and tonight as I'm reading through it I've listened to my LP of this twice and I really like the descriptions of "push\pull" and "liquid" to describe his playing. I can't wait to hear the alternate takes on the CD. I've played the tune "Background Music" three times and it is anything but! I've always liked Marsh and this album, but haven't really focused intently on it as much as this thread has helped me to do. Thanks all for your comments. I'd love to read the book, but don't feel like shelling out the $80 I've seen it for anytime I've found it on line. Quote
Alfred Posted July 12, 2004 Report Posted July 12, 2004 JSngry said: At the risk of sounding like I'm pimping my liner essay (barf!), it (the constantly liquid usage of rhytmic and pitch variations) really IS all about the "allness", not just of music, but of life in general. Plenty of cats play some interesting shit, but how many really, REALLY, offer you insight into the truest essences of the natiure of universal existence? THAT'S why Warne Marsh was such a bad motherfucker! If I'm not mistaken ... Marsh was such a bad übermotherfucker! Quote
rockefeller center Posted July 12, 2004 Report Posted July 12, 2004 JSngry said: At the risk of sounding like I'm pimping my liner essay (barf!), it (the constantly liquid usage of rhytmic and pitch variations) really IS all about the "allness", not just of music, but of life in general. Plenty of cats play some interesting shit, but how many really, REALLY, offer you insight into the truest essences of the natiure of universal existence? THAT'S why Warne Marsh was such a bad motherfucker! And you're saying Thom Jurek's reviews are hyperbolic? Quote
JSngry Posted July 12, 2004 Report Posted July 12, 2004 No, I'm saying that Warne Marsh was a bad motherfuker. Quote
ajf67 Posted July 13, 2004 Report Posted July 13, 2004 (edited) Just got the CD today with the alternate takes. Very nice. I really loved the take of "A TIme for Love," with Lou Levy on electric piano. Too bad the piano turned out to be defective and more of it couldn't be included, because the sound of it with Marsh's horn is great. Levy really does a first-rate job on this whole session. Nice job on the remastering too. Edited July 19, 2004 by ajf67 Quote
Gary Posted February 18, 2005 Report Posted February 18, 2005 Its only taken me 6 months , but after listening to this a few times this week I really enjoy it. I think I was originally a bit under whelmed by it partly because of my previous Nessa purchases (Snurdy, Air & AE box) were a bit more out & immediately appealed to me , the Air Cd would be in my favourite 10 CDs. I particularly like track 5 Lunarcy. Gents please forgive me for the error of my ways , & if I notice any more recommendations please allow me 6 months to catch everybody else up. Quote
Dan Gould Posted March 14, 2005 Report Posted March 14, 2005 They say that confession is good for the soul, so here goes: When this reissue came out and a lot of people on the board went ape shit over it, I will be the first to admit that I was curious about it. At the same time, however, Chuck was being a major league pain in my ass and I had no interest in giving my money to him. So, I didn't pick this up. I still didn't want to give Chuck my money directly, but last week I added this to a Cadence order. My exposure to Warne had previously been limited to one of the Criss Cross CDs, but after giving All Music a couple of listens, I can definitely say that I am intrigued and will be spending more time with this one soon. Will I turn into a Warnophile? Can't tell yet, but I'm definitely glad I finally picked this up. Quote
jazz4u Posted March 27, 2005 Report Posted March 27, 2005 Don't try to understand it, just plug it in and enjoy... -Jp Quote
Eric Posted January 25, 2006 Report Posted January 25, 2006 jazz4u said: Don't try to understand it, just plug it in and enjoy... -Jp I did just that tonight. Lovely!!! Quote
Big Al Posted April 2, 2008 Report Posted April 2, 2008 Bringing this thread back around for two reasons: first and foremost to tell Chuck that it arrived here safely and to thank him profusely! Second because I was listening to "On Purpose," and there was a bit during the duet that opens the track where Lou Levy plays these three chords that not only opened my eyes, but made me sit up and say "Hallelujah!" It's been a LOOOOOONG time since a song, hell ANY piece of music, has inspired me at that level. Naturally, I feel like a complete schmuck for having waited this long to acquire it, and am kicking myself for realizing what I've been missing. I know very little about Warne (will change), and only have one other recording with him on it (that I remember, Bill Evans CROSS CURRENTS. Again, this too will change), but this has been revelatory in ways I'm still trying to comprehend. And I'm only on my first go-round! Lou Levy! Egad, another one I'm drastically behind with. Only heard him on the Stan Getz West Coast sessions, and probably have him on something else in my collection but I've forgotten about. All I know is this is some of the loveliest comping I've ever heard this side of.... well, no one cometothinkofit! Finally, I love the sound of the bass on this album. It definitely has what I feel is a 70's feel to it (and I mean that in a good way, as opposed to the drill-in-a-pickup-and-crank-the-amp-to-eleven that some other recordings of the 70's had). A great record indeed. One of the few that lives up to the hype, IMHO. Thanks again, Chuck! Quote
Big Al Posted April 2, 2008 Report Posted April 2, 2008 (edited) One more thing: I am REALLY digging these extra cuts of "I Have a Good One For You." Each one sounds like a different tune, and the take with the electric piano is sublime! Edited April 2, 2008 by Big Al Quote
Parkertown Posted April 2, 2008 Report Posted April 2, 2008 I found a NM vinyl copy of this last week. Only had time to listen once. I'm gonna relisten while reading this thread... Quote
Big Al Posted April 2, 2008 Report Posted April 2, 2008 Skid, you gonna say something or are you still in shock? You've been looking at this thread all morning! Quote
Big Al Posted April 2, 2008 Report Posted April 2, 2008 Chuck Nessa said: Thanks Al. Glad you like it. Oh I do! And not to sound like a brown-noser or anything, but knowing someone who was THERE producing this beautiful music brings it that much closer. Just a nice feeling is all. Quote
Uncle Skid Posted April 2, 2008 Report Posted April 2, 2008 Big Al said: Skid, you gonna say something or are you still in shock? You've been looking at this thread all morning! Yes, I'm in shock... I can't believe you've put away all of your 80's hair metal vinyl long enough to listen to some _good_ music!! Seriously, this is a great record, and this thread has prompted me to put it on again this morning. I haven't listened to it in a quite awhile. Next up: Roscoe Mitchell and the Sound Ensemble - Snurdy McGurdy and her Dancin' Shoes. (this is another great one, Al... and there's a couple of really great Von Freeman records on the Nessa label that you don't want to miss, as well!) Quote
Big Al Posted April 2, 2008 Report Posted April 2, 2008 Uncle Skid said: Big Al said: Skid, you gonna say something or are you still in shock? You've been looking at this thread all morning! Yes, I'm in shock... I can't believe you've put away all of your 80's hair metal vinyl long enough to listen to some _good_ music!! 'tweren't easy, letmetellyou! Quote Next up: Roscoe Mitchell and the Sound Ensemble - Snurdy McGurdy and her Dancin' Shoes. (this is another great one, Al... and there's a couple of really great Von Freeman records on the Nessa label that you don't want to miss, as well!) Yeah, I know which Vonski's yer talkin' about, been lookin' at 'em for years (just like ALL MUSIC). Snurdy kinda slipped under my radar, but after reading that thread, well...... guess I gotta send some money Chuck's way at some point! Quote
Matt Posted April 6, 2008 Report Posted April 6, 2008 Well, based off of this thread I went ahead and acquired this disc. I'm just starting to listen to it now, and I really like what I am hearing so far! Thanks Peter for the initial pick, and Big Al for bringing the thread back - otherwise I might not have caught it. Quote
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