Guest Posted December 28, 2005 Report Share Posted December 28, 2005 I don't know. . . rolling over? Probably too much effort! I believe that--if we're talking about the fat Elvis and not the old one, that the expression would be "Weebles wobble, but they don't fall down." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest akanalog Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 notes from a david murray show i was downloading earlier today. i did not write this but it is from the seeder... This recording dates from the period where Murray was divorcing himself from a brief flirtation with the music of the Grateful Dead. At the early show, one particularly lame-brained wookie shouted out for 'Shakedown Street' and an obviously frustrated Murray replied "I ain't playing that cracker shit no more'. The opening banter of this late show recording ("anybody wanna shoot me", "they all left") is a reference to that episode Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 notes from a david murray show i was downloading earlier today. i did not write this but it is from the seeder... This recording dates from the period where Murray was divorcing himself from a brief flirtation with the music of the Grateful Dead. At the early show, one particularly lame-brained wookie shouted out for 'Shakedown Street' and an obviously frustrated Murray replied "I ain't playing that cracker shit no more'. The opening banter of this late show recording ("anybody wanna shoot me", "they all left") is a reference to that episode This isn't very surprising. David has always been an opportunist and a bit of back stabber. I first met David in 1976 when he moved to Manhattan and lived with Stanley Crouch, his mentor from California. David burst upon the scene as a young lion and hooked up with Sunny Murray and anyone else who would have him. He played the game as magnificently as he did the tenor. His hook up with the Dead had less to do with his musical inclinations than his desire to get their fans to buy his records. After all, it worked well for Branford Marsalis--though he played with the Dead because he liked to. David used to pull of all sorts of bullshit. He once got Dan Serro to tape him for an LP and then took the tapes and sent them top Europe as samples for Black Lion. Dan never got his tapes back, nor was he reimbursed. The list goes on and on. The Dead, pure and simple, were a use. As it is, I don't think he ever got "that cracker shit" down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest akanalog Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 not having heard any of the murray dead stuff or the brandford dead stuff (well i heard that many years ago but 90s dead isn't my thing) i can't really comment but it is funny that some jazz musicians have embraced this particular culture of music listeners and have probably became all the wealthier for it (medeski, martin and wood and john scofield as two examples). though i guess i can see how someone in murray's shoes-that kind of following would definitely ruin his credibility in certain circles whereas the musicians i just mentioned weren't trying to be in those circles or couldn't gain admittance for obvious reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 I don't mean to doubt Murray's abilities (though I've read some vigorous debates)--I used to love to see him in the seventies--always blew the house down--I also know that his eyes have always been on the gold ring. First, he's released more albums than McDonalds has served burgers. Second: I remember his stating within a few years of arriving that he wouldn't play for less than 10,000 dollars. I don't think he always got it, but he tried. Not that there's anything wrong with earning a good living playing music!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He's just always been a bit brash and often careless with his words. I, too, don't like the 90's dead, but of all the guest saxophonists, I like Murray the least. His "Dark Star" release is one of the weakest in his canon, though it's still available at dead.net. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest akanalog Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 there was discussion of a satchel paige project or something weir was supposed to be helping murray on which didn't pan out which might have added to the issue? i don't know what this is about.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 there was discussion of a satchel paige project or something weir was supposed to be helping murray on which didn't pan out which might have added to the issue? i don't know what this is about.... Monkeys see, monkeys do. Jerry played on an Ornette Coleman disc. It wouldn't surprise me to see Bobby and David try to do the same. David Murray playing "Me and My Uncle"? Hmmmm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spontooneous Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 The Satchel Paige project had a tortured history. I think Murray started it with a then-girlfriend. Their breakup derailed it. The attempt to finish it off with Weir came later. I don't know that it was ever finished. Murray did perform one song from it, "When the Monarchs Come to Town," in Kansas City on two different occasions in the mid-90s. He dedicated it to Buck O'Neil, who was in the audience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted January 6, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 I'm looking forward to an upcoming Bob Weir cd. . . "Weir Plays Weil" . . . . I hear the first single will be "Me and My Uncle Mack the Knife." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalupa Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 (edited) notes from a david murray show i was downloading earlier today. i did not write this but it is from the seeder... This recording dates from the period where Murray was divorcing himself from a brief flirtation with the music of the Grateful Dead. At the early show, one particularly lame-brained wookie shouted out for 'Shakedown Street' and an obviously frustrated Murray replied "I ain't playing that cracker shit no more'. The opening banter of this late show recording ("anybody wanna shoot me", "they all left") is a reference to that episode Interesting that this person who seeded the late show, and presumedly was at both shows, didn't seed a tape of this exchange but does remember it verbatim. I mean what happened after he allegedly said that?? I can't see anyone saying "cracker shit" at a show and not get called out on it. I'd file this story under Apocryphal. Edited January 6, 2006 by Chalupa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 [quote Interesting that this person who seeded the late show, and presumedly was at both shows, didn't seed a tape of this exchange but does remember it verbatim. I mean what happened after he allegedly said that?? I can't see anyone saying "cracker shit" at a show and not get called out on it. I'd file this story under Apocryphal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest akanalog Posted January 10, 2006 Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 oh come on.... any "crackers" there love that shit. they would not have minded being called "crackers" i bet. they would have been amused and possibly felt more legit even being there at the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 10, 2006 Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 oh come on.... any "crackers" there love that shit. they would not have minded being called "crackers" i bet. they would have been amused and possibly felt more legit even being there at the time. I'm a cracker and I'm proud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted January 11, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 (edited) I wouldn't have been happy to hear that. . . but that's me. hey, check out this Playboy After Dark video! http://www.youtube.com/watch_fullscreen?vi...l%20Dead%20live Edited January 11, 2006 by jazzbo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 Hell of a find Jazzbo. I've been wanting to see this again for years. I couldn't believe it when a friend told me they were going to be on Playboy After Dark. I was sure it was a prank. What a hoot! And they say the boys dosed the bunnies. Too bad St. Stephen is so heavily edited. But all in all, what a snapshot. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted January 11, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 You're welcome. I was surprised to see this available as well. . . was looking at the Steve Hoffman forum that gets talked up here and saw this link in a thread. Too bad they didn't play "Me and My Uncle." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 You're welcome. I was surprised to see this available as well. . . was looking at the Steve Hoffman forum that gets talked up here and saw this link in a thread. Too bad they didn't play "Me and My Uncle." Probably the only time they didn't play Me and My Uncle. Of course, the royalties kept Papa John Philips alive and sniffing all those years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted January 11, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 Come here. . . (Me and my) Uncle John's band. . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 Didn't Papa John take the royalties and go into the pizza biz with his uncle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spontooneous Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 Didn't Papa John take the royalties and go into the pizza biz with his uncle? They threw him out of the pizza biz because he kept stealing the flour, I think. But seriously, folks. Search around on the Web a little and you can find a couple of Bit Torrents of that Playboy After Dark video. (TC gets more screen time than Pigpen!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AfricaBrass Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 Didn't Papa John take the royalties and go into the pizza biz with his uncle? They threw him out of the pizza biz because he kept stealing the flour, I think. But seriously, folks. Search around on the Web a little and you can find a couple of Bit Torrents of that Playboy After Dark video. (TC gets more screen time than Pigpen!) Reminds me of that old SNL skit with the Greek restaurant with the famous line "no Coke, Pepsi"... but in Papa John's case it would be "no Pepsi, Coke." Speaking of Playboy. Have any of you watched that reality show on "E" that shows life in the Playboy mansion. It's Grandpa Hef and his young girlfriends. Weird stuff! It was strange when the grandmother of one of Hef's girlfriends visited. She looked younger than Hef... I must say I do love that version of Mountains Of The Moon on Playboy After Dark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted January 12, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 I was delighted to see that little Martin guitar. You most often see and hear the dreadnaughts. I had one of those. . .great guitar. . . but those smaller Martins just have such a mellow warm sound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted January 12, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 More videos, same site: http://www.youtube.com/results.php?search=...l%20Dead&page=1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spontooneous Posted January 13, 2006 Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 Oh, my! Thanks, Lon! Love the Copenhagen '72 clips, even if the sound isn't synched. (Note that on Jack Straw, Bobby sings lead all the way.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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