catesta Posted June 23, 2004 Report Posted June 23, 2004 A great bonus disc, I must say! (1) ? (2) What a sweet, sweet sound, that is without a doubt "the Mex". (3) I'm going to come back to this one. (4) Solo sax, do I dare say it's Hawkins? B) (5) I really liked this one, not sure who is playing it, but I think the tune is Wonderful! Wonderful! (6) At first I was thinking Kenny Dorham, silly me, that has to be Dizzy. (7) Mingus? (8) Does sound like Roy Eldridge, might even be "Sweets Edison", no guess on the tenor and group. (9) I'm going to say, Duke. (10) This is really beautiful work here, pity I am unable to indentify. (11) No ideas, but a lot of fun. Quote
catesta Posted June 23, 2004 Report Posted June 23, 2004 Track 5 = "Wonderful wonderful" (NOT wunnerful wunnerful, nor does it have anything to do with Larry Welk). Sonny Rollins recorded this tune, as did Rene' Thomas, as did... Johnny Mathis. Nice tune. Don't know who this is. Must be Rene Thomas, no? Quote
king ubu Posted June 23, 2004 Report Posted June 23, 2004 This really sucks! I was posting here and then the board went down, right when I had finally finished typing! I'll do it again, in a shorter fashion, as I don't feel like typing all again... Sorry, Agustín! Main thing is, I really enjoyed both of your discs, and I hope to hear more from some of the discs you included tracks on these CDs! 1 - Uh, finally we can hear what EKE listens to all day long... disc 1 was just done to fool us all, right? 2 - This must be the first time someone found out about the inclusion of a recording before listening to the discs, and without reading any of the replies... (more here). Love this tune, love this album, love the pianist, love the tenor man, and it's very cool to hear the lesser known trumpet player in such fast company! 3 - Nont sure about this. I think the pianist is very good, but then the generic percussion and the sound of the electric bass guitar bother me a bit... 4 - Couldn't help thinking this might be the famous Hawk-solo recording on the "Body & Soul" changes - I never heard it (which might be considered a sin, as I'm playing some tenor myself...). Whoever plays, it's a majestic performance! (The one solo track by Hawk that I have, "Picasso", on the "Jazz Scene" set, has Hawk sounding pretty different, but then there's some years in between). 5 - Another one that sounds very familiar! I sure ought to know the name of the tune, at least. Is this Kenny G... uhm, Kenny Garrett? Solid, lots of Cannonball in there. Got a bad feeling here telling me "welcome to the world of mikeweil's bft-rules..." 6 - Woody'n You or Groovin' High (too lazy to check, I always mix up these names). Beautiful trumpet sound! One of my favourites of the two CDs, for sure. I think I should be able to identify the players, but I am not... 7 - Another HELLYEAH for this one! No idea who plays, but it's very nice! The alto is cool and familiar-sounding, great bass playing here, too. Has that liberation-Haden-vibe, but I'm not sure who this actually could be. I'd love to hear more of this! 8 - Nice stuff! Again no need to guess... 9 - More great music! No need to try guessing, as this is an era I have hardly scratched the surface yet... 10 - Tete? Did I get that wrong on disc 1? A beautiful and brooding, moody performance! ... 11 - going right into an upbeat closer of this great set! Some trad retro folks? Sound is too clear for it to be too old. all in all: big and big thank you! ubu Quote
king ubu Posted June 24, 2004 Report Posted June 24, 2004 Here goes my Golden Rule # 1 item ... have that too, of course, but haven't listened to it for years ... too many good records, too little time! Same here, but omit the "of course" (I'm still young, so my record collection, or rather, CD collection, is already beyond any senible "of course" ) Gotta hunt for that disc in my own private chaos... EKE, I stick with Garrett on #5! Has to be him. The Coltrane link is there, of course, but then I do think there's a few instances where he is very close to Cannonball, too. ubu Quote
Dan Gould Posted June 24, 2004 Report Posted June 24, 2004 More nice stuff on this one, thanks, EKE! (though I could do without the tracks better left in the dustbin of history I gotta believe its Sweets on track 9. I kept thinking Hawk on track 2 but from everyone else I can see that's wrong, and I hate to admit it, but while everyone else seems to have no problem identifying Dizzy on his own tune, I thought it might be Miles. Quote
EKE BBB Posted June 24, 2004 Author Report Posted June 24, 2004 More nice stuff on this one, thanks, EKE! (though I could do without the tracks better left in the dustbin of history I gotta believe its Sweets on track 9. I kept thinking Hawk on track 2 but from everyone else I can see that's wrong, and I hate to admit it, but while everyone else seems to have no problem identifying Dizzy on his own tune, I thought it might be Miles. Glad to see there aren´t many DKDC tracks, Dan! An as for the dustbin of history.... there´s life before bebop, man!!! B) Quote
EKE BBB Posted June 24, 2004 Author Report Posted June 24, 2004 (edited) 10 - Tete? Did I get that wrong on disc 1? A beautiful and brooding, moody performance! ... I´m afraid I´ll have to prepare a big ALL-TETE package and send it to some Royal guy in Switzerland... I´d like to increase my Funny-Rat stuff.... Edited June 24, 2004 by EKE BBB Quote
EKE BBB Posted June 24, 2004 Author Report Posted June 24, 2004 Guesses for Track 5 have been: -Jackie McLean -Kenny Garrett -Gary Bartz -"sounds European to these ears" Interesting! BTW: the tune title has already been correctly identified. Mmmm, the Kenny Garrett connection is taking force!!! :rsmile: Quote
king ubu Posted June 24, 2004 Report Posted June 24, 2004 10 - Tete? Did I get that wrong on disc 1? A beautiful and brooding, moody performance! ... I´m afraid I´ll have to prepare a big ALL-TETE package and send it to some Royal guy in Switzerland... I´d like to increase my Funny-Rat stuff.... Uh, oh, ahem... Quote
EKE BBB Posted June 24, 2004 Author Report Posted June 24, 2004 2 - This must be the first time someone found out about the inclusion of a recording before listening to the discs, and without reading any of the replies... (more here). I´m a stupid dumb-ass.... Quote
king ubu Posted June 24, 2004 Report Posted June 24, 2004 2 - This must be the first time someone found out about the inclusion of a recording before listening to the discs, and without reading any of the replies... (more here). I´m a stupid dumb-ass.... 10 - Tete? Did I get that wrong on disc 1? A beautiful and brooding, moody performance! ... I´m afraid I´ll have to prepare a big ALL-TETE package and send it to some Royal guy in Switzerland... I´d like to increase my Funny-Rat stuff.... Uh, oh, ahem... Me too, it seems... Quote
couw Posted June 24, 2004 Report Posted June 24, 2004 found some time on my extended lunch break, so here goes: Track 1. no idea I'm afraid. this ancient stuff is beyond couw's knowledge. but couw has a serendipic mind and just thought this should be one of the very first examples of recorded jazz. and parbleu, it is! (track2) Track 2. Body and Soul, very nice rendition. And long too! tenor has a very pretty tone with some clarinet in there. That makes my guess Paul Gonsalves, but I'm not really sure and very curious about this recording. Track 3. the bass drum needs a lot to get accustomed to, couw is not a fan of this. the sound is somehow familiar, though and I'd go with Chick Corea, but the piano playing goes against that, so I haven't a clue really. It doesn't cause my boat to sink, but wouldn't float it either. Track 4. heavily compressed, this tenor almost sounds like a cello or viola at times. Don't know this, my guess is Hawk. Pretty cool! Track 5. tune is familiar, can't place it though. alto has a nice drive and good tone, the phrasing is a little on the corny side at rare times. The tune breathes nicely in long stretched heaves, working up to near-frenzy and letting go again. may guess is that this is some Spanish player only Agustín knows about... Track 6. Woody 'n You (?). Latter day Dizzy? Some of the perfection is gone, some sloppiness entered, but he's still reaching for the stars. Track 7. must be Haden, with Ornette and Dewey? Track 8. fun track, no clue though. Track 9. this swings like mad, very cool. Sweets on trumpet? a meeting of Basie bandmembers? Track 10. nice loose introspective playing here. Paul Bley maybe? might as well be another Spanish hero though... Track 11. sounds like these guys are making as much fun of the music as they are having with the music. Quote
couw Posted June 24, 2004 Report Posted June 24, 2004 # 2 Knew the tenor after one phrase, this may be his best solo IMHO. Pretty wild idea to have a ballad of such extended length on a disc at the time it was released. Beautiful album with a timeless quality about it. (AMG link - track 1) is this album as cool as it looks? Quote
couw Posted June 24, 2004 Report Posted June 24, 2004 Track 8 a live version of 'Song For Che' with the composer nicely featured. Don't have that version with Ornette plus Dewey (?) and Blackwell (?). A bootleg? this one per chance? Quote
EKE BBB Posted June 24, 2004 Author Report Posted June 24, 2004 Track 8 a live version of 'Song For Che' with the composer nicely featured. Don't have that version with Ornette plus Dewey (?) and Blackwell (?). A bootleg? this one per chance? Ding dong! Quote
EKE BBB Posted June 24, 2004 Author Report Posted June 24, 2004 Track 5 = "Wonderful wonderful" tadaa! You f.......g tireless AMG/google researcher! Quote
EKE BBB Posted June 24, 2004 Author Report Posted June 24, 2004 # 2 Knew the tenor after one phrase, this may be his best solo IMHO. Pretty wild idea to have a ballad of such extended length on a disc at the time it was released. Beautiful album with a timeless quality about it. (AMG link - track 1) is this album as cool as it looks? It´s WONDERFUL... just see its title! Quote
couw Posted June 24, 2004 Report Posted June 24, 2004 Track 5 = "Wonderful wonderful" tadaa! You f.......g tireless AMG/google researcher! that one was easy, combining my hunch for an obscure, maybe Spanish, player and the title list in AMG, the timing and the B&N sample proved me right. Quote
EKE BBB Posted June 24, 2004 Author Report Posted June 24, 2004 (edited) Track 1. no idea I'm afraid. this ancient stuff is beyond couw's knowledge. but couw has a serendipic mind and just thought this should be one of the very first examples of recorded jazz. and parbleu, it is! (track2) Got it! The version I included was remastered later by JRT Davies, so I assume mine has a better sound! Edited June 24, 2004 by EKE BBB Quote
Nate Dorward Posted June 24, 2004 Report Posted June 24, 2004 (edited) Sorry to get to this one so late--now I can go back to the start of the thread & so what goofs I made. 1: hm, this sounds familiar. Jelly Roll Morton? Fun stuff anyway, though the clarinet’s a bit repetitive by the end. Probably not Morton simply because the clarinettist is presumably the leader. 2: this opens like a Joplin rag! But it turns out to be “Body & Soul”. This has got to be Paul Gonsalves on sax. Can’t i.d. the trumpet from the obliggato, though he’s got some bop mannerisms to him. Hang on, there’s a guitar here now! Truthfully, a pretty uninteresting guitar solo. The pianist seems to be amusing himself during the guitar solo.... Not sure about the rhythm section: hard to tell really when they’re on such a short tether, though maybe it’s Connie Kay on drums? The pianist gets even more quirky under the trumpeter; I’d initially assumed it was Hank Jones but somehow I don’t associate this kind of comping with him. Not sure who the trumpeter is though he sounds familiar. Rather odd that after holding back so long the back breaks into doubletime right before the end – wonder why they didn’t do that earlier. Jeez, Gonsalves doesn’t even return at the end. Obviously one of those getup’n’blow studio sessions (mid-1960s?), & it’s a pity that there wasn’t a more preplanning. The Gonsalves solo is wonderful, the rest is kind of dull, & this goes on too long. 3: The pianist sounds familiar but I can’t place him. I don’t know, this has a big full sound & lot of stuff going on & yet nothing much happens. Not unpleasant, but it’s kinda so-what. I find the mix between the upfront modern piano-trio with lots of percussion & electric bass, & the horn charts right out of Blues & the Abstract Truth a little odd. 4: Slightly puzzled by this one. I’d wondered if it was one of those Coleman Hawkins solos: been a long while since I heard “Picasso”, & know there’s a few other recorded examples. But there’s some traces of bebop here: e.g. the bit at 1:15 which is a favourite Charlie Parker lick. An odd transition at 2:18 which almost sounds like a splice. The jumps starting at 3:05 obviously had an impact on Dolphy’s “Tenderly”. The fast passage at 3:27 sounds mistakably Hawkinsish! Anyway, this is surely Hawkins but it took a while for me to settle on that. 5: These guys all sound very familiar. Gary Bartz on the alto? A little less lemony than I’d expect from him, though. What’s this tune? I take it a fancy rearrangement of a standard. Good band – I was glad when the stop-start arrangement dropped out & they just went for it, as they sound great zipping along. John Hicks on piano. Nice track. 6: “Woody’n You”, odd to hear it with just trumpet, piano, bass. Actually this DOES sound like Diz. Strange situation. Ray Brown, Oscar Peterson? Probably one of those 1970s concert things. Not a classic track but it’s nice stuff. Did they do a whole album without a drummer or is it just this one track? 7: There’ no hope for me if I don’t spot Ornette. Jeez that’s a good opening bass solo: Izenzon? Late 1960s, early 1970s? Not a period of Ornette I know much. Is this the album Crisis, which I don’t think ever made it to CD? Pity you don’t get more of the band – after a brief Ornette solo, there’s more bass, which is too much of a good thing – but it’s still nice to hear this stuff. 8: Nice improvisation over “Sweet Georgia Brown”. No, I can’t i.d. anyone here, but I liked the track. The sly, darting-in-and-out trumpet is the knockout here: listen in paticular to his work on the out-chorus. Oh, I don’t know, I’ll guess Eldridge & hope I get lucky for once. 9: Kind of boxy-sounding piano the pianist’s given but he makes nice, slightly loopy music on it: I like the touches of Monkian wholetone licks & what sounds like traces of other tunes (e.g. “It’s Only a Paper Moon” crops up a few times). Ugh, I’m terrible at distinguishing between Hawkins’ successors, but whoever it is is great. Nice talking-trombone solo. Really nice track all round, in fact. 10: Oh, I know this tune via Paul Bley’s Footloose, so it's his tune or Carla's I forget. Odd direction it goes in after the head’s stated. I guess this is Bley, but somehow it doesn’t quite sound like the great man to me – it’s just too static for him, and the division between the two hands’ activity is much more clear-cut than Bley. I guess I’ll i.d. this as an untypical Paul Bley track, though, rather than someone else. 11: This is a bit over-the-top isn’t it? Darn odd soprano solo. Don’t really like this one much, though I can tell it’s supposed to make me feel jolly. Edited June 24, 2004 by Nate Dorward Quote
mikeweil Posted June 25, 2004 Report Posted June 25, 2004 # 2 Knew the tenor after one phrase, this may be his best solo IMHO. Pretty wild idea to have a ballad of such extended length on a disc at the time it was released. Beautiful album with a timeless quality about it. (AMG link - track 1) is this album as cool as it looks? You bet it is!!! Quote
EKE BBB Posted June 25, 2004 Author Report Posted June 25, 2004 4: Slightly puzzled by this one. I’d wondered if it was one of those Coleman Hawkins solos: been a long while since I heard “Picasso”, & know there’s a few other recorded examples. But there’s some traces of bebop here: e.g. the bit at 1:15 which is a favourite Charlie Parker lick. An odd transition at 2:18 which almost sounds like a splice. The jumps starting at 3:05 obviously had an impact on Dolphy’s “Tenderly”. The fast passage at 3:27 sounds mistakably Hawkinsish! Anyway, this is surely Hawkins but it took a while for me to settle on that. Thanks for that detailed analysis, Nate! Once more Hawk has revealed as a link between swing and bebop. Bean rules!!! Quote
king ubu Posted June 25, 2004 Report Posted June 25, 2004 # 2 Knew the tenor after one phrase, this may be his best solo IMHO. Pretty wild idea to have a ballad of such extended length on a disc at the time it was released. Beautiful album with a timeless quality about it. (AMG link - track 1) is this album as cool as it looks? You bet it is!!! You could bet your last pair of shoes it is! RUN FAST GET IT AND STOP LOOK AND LISTEN, SINNER! ubu B) Quote
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