JSngry Posted October 10, 2004 Report Posted October 10, 2004 Better hope she doesn't throw it into the East River.... Quote
brownie Posted October 10, 2004 Report Posted October 10, 2004 Better hope she doesn't throw it into the East River.... The Seine river is just around the corner! My better half has better sense than trying this. She knows she is not allowed to approach the box Quote
Matthew Posted October 10, 2004 Report Posted October 10, 2004 Become hung up on the Ayler / Cherry recordings. Very powerful, and there are times when you get hear a glimpse of the power that Ayler must of had live. I alomost jumped out of my seat when the first note of Spirit came blasting out. Quote
jazzbo Posted October 10, 2004 Report Posted October 10, 2004 (edited) Actually, my wife sort of likes Ayler. . . . She said in the past about some of the material with Don Ayler on board that "it sounds like insanity in places." She would know. I don't really think she's wrong. Of all the music I listen to, Helen may like the free jazz best. The wonderful thing about the last seven or eight years is that I have a listening room all my own, and Helen doesn't have to hear a lot of my music. My wife IS flipping out though I'm trying hard to quell it. . . but she's flipping out about my parents' impending visit, not Ayler! B-) Edited October 11, 2004 by jazzbo Quote
ghost of miles Posted October 10, 2004 Author Report Posted October 10, 2004 What is clear from the moment anyone looks into this set and begins listening is that this is one of the best cd box sets ever assembled! (In my humble opinion). Right up there in my personal pantheon with the Miles at the Plugged Nickel, and the Parker/Benedetti and Nat King Cole Mosaics! Lon, My thoughts exactly... last night I found myself wondering, "Best box-set ever?" Certainly a contender. Today I listened to the six-minute medley from Coltrane's funeral. Simply amazing. Quote
alankin Posted October 11, 2004 Report Posted October 11, 2004 (edited) What is clear from the moment anyone looks into this set and begins listening is that this is one of the best cd box sets ever assembled! (In my humble opinion). Yeah, I'm just glad that I sprung for the handcarved wooden box edition. Right up there in my personal pantheon with the Miles at the Plugged Nickel, and the Parker/Benedetti and Nat King Cole Mosaics! Sure, remind me that I don't have the NKC box! Edited October 11, 2004 by alankin Quote
wolff Posted October 11, 2004 Report Posted October 11, 2004 Looks like an amazing box! Going to listen to some samples and if it doesn't sound too 'suicidal' or like 'insanity', maybe I'll get it. Feel like buying it just to support outfits that put out quality. Quote
ralphie_boy Posted October 11, 2004 Report Posted October 11, 2004 and keeping my wife from flipping out! Same reaction here. My wife said the music 'sounds suicidal'! Ayler sends my wife running for the hills - not a bad thing! Quote
king ubu Posted October 11, 2004 Report Posted October 11, 2004 My wife said the music 'sounds suicidal'! That's what my girlfriend would say, would I be crazy enough to listen to this music while she was around... I won't probably even show her the box (or I won't tell her it's new, you know what reactions that provokes..., she might declare ME crazy... ) ubu (still verrrry , but I won't be able to listen to it until probably tomorrow night... ) Quote
Matthew Posted October 11, 2004 Report Posted October 11, 2004 Listened again the the Ayler/Cherry concert from disk two, and it's amazing how Cherry picks up on Ayler's style. On Spirits, there's a part where Ayler's playing his solo very high, then Cherry takes over, and it took me a moment to realize that they switched off. Love Don Ayler, but this makes me wonder what Ayler could have done with a more technically advanced trumpter in his later stage. Quote
jazzbo Posted October 11, 2004 Report Posted October 11, 2004 Well it certainly would be different. . . . I think that the introduction of Donald to the band really moved the music to a more "composed, arranged, orchestrated" format than it MAY have had with a different trumpeter. I honestly believe that Albert may have reassessed and transformed his concept to include Donald. Had Cherry remained his concepts and ambitions would have definitely influenced Albert's. Another trumpeter with a similar nature and background as Cherry's may have as well. With Donald in place Albert's vision was possibly more secure and focused? The music would have been different with another trumpeter, no doubt. BUT I'm not sure that I would actually prefer that different music . . . . Quote
Matthew Posted October 11, 2004 Report Posted October 11, 2004 Could be the Ayler felt more secure spiritually with his brother playing next to him, and this allowed Alyer to explore that side of his music to a deeper level, than if he had a more technically adept trumpter. Seems that Albert Ayler felt the spiritual/emotional aspect of his music was where his reality lay, and he was going to follow that path for all that it was worth. This is not to say Don Ayler was a bad player, just that his strength lay in a different approach to the trumpet (I'd love to have someone reissue Don's three record release). Whatever the case, Don Ayler's trumpet held together that group, almost functioned as a rythmn instrument, if that makes any sense. Quote
jazzbo Posted October 11, 2004 Report Posted October 11, 2004 I agree: Donald is a melodic anchor on a lot of the material. Personally, I believe that Albert felt a deep responsibility towards Donald, and wanted to have him with him for extramusical reasons. . . . Seems he had Charles Tyler groom Donald as a trumpeter, he really had only been playing the trumpet a handful of years before being in Albert's group! What a feeling that must have been! I've never had an older brother. I do have a younger brother who is a trumpeter. . . I do believe that if I led a band I'd like to have my brother Bill along. . . for personal and musical reasons. Quote
John B Posted October 11, 2004 Report Posted October 11, 2004 Man, the La Cave recordings are beautiful.... Quote
danasgoodstuff Posted October 12, 2004 Report Posted October 12, 2004 Got it (79.49 at Borders on the Educater Card 25% off sale, no sales tax). Read most of the book, listened to disc one and parts of others. Damn nice. Can't believe there's still unissued stuffs out there after this. LeRoi Jones is...um, well it does give you the flavour of the times. Has any one heard the other tune ("Tune Q") that was on early editions of Spiritual Unity? All the confusion re tunes/names can't have helped...not that he'd have been a best seller without it, but still... And I'm dying to hear what the unissued Don Ayler album done for Jihad sounded like, and not just 'cause I identify with Don since I too lost my brother a long time ago and struggled with it (not, thankfully, to the same extent). Quote
charlesp Posted October 12, 2004 Report Posted October 12, 2004 Village Voice Review by Francis Davis Quote
Stefan Wood Posted October 12, 2004 Report Posted October 12, 2004 So, packaging aside, how does this compare to the Ayler tree material soundwise? Quote
jazzbo Posted October 12, 2004 Report Posted October 12, 2004 Stefan, the sound on this release is KILLER! Better when compared to the tree. Material not on the tree sounds wonderful as well. I mean, there is that one very rough session (Town Hall, just heard a little bit of it myself so far) but the material is pretty much all it can be sound wise here. All the transfers were done by Ben Young, and he did some of the mastering along with Kevin Reeves and one other whose name I can't remember right now. Still it sound MEATIER than a lot of Verve material with these engineers (which can be for a number of reasons, I don't care, sound is really well done). Quote
Jazzmoose Posted October 12, 2004 Report Posted October 12, 2004 Okay, it's Tuesday. Where's my damned box!!! Quote
jazzbo Posted October 12, 2004 Report Posted October 12, 2004 Yeah Mark! Where is that darned thing? Get a tracking number? Quote
Jazzmoose Posted October 12, 2004 Report Posted October 12, 2004 Yeah, they sent the thing UPS GROUND!!! Grrr...it's not due until today, but I'm sitting here listening to old punk and new wave vinyl. I'm on a jazz strike until it gets here!! Quote
jazzbo Posted October 12, 2004 Report Posted October 12, 2004 (edited) Don't lose faith! Mine was scheduled for Friday. I got home at about 5:45: NO BOX SET. I was calling out loud to no one to hear things about UPS that went beyond "BROWN." And I even went and looked out back, because sometimes they leave packages out back. NOPE. So I get over it, I say oh well, I can get it Monday and still live, went in to the kitchen, started to cook dinner, then went out to the front porch for a moment about twenty minutes later. . .a n d there it was on the front porch! Could happen soon, okay? And don't boycott jazz. Ayler is. . . jazz? Edited October 12, 2004 by jazzbo Quote
Jazzmoose Posted October 12, 2004 Report Posted October 12, 2004 Well, according to the UPS website, my set is currently enjoying a guided tour of the area in a truck, so hopefully... The boycott didn't last long anyway; I found a Getz LP misfiled... Quote
JSngry Posted October 12, 2004 Report Posted October 12, 2004 Getz was a punk at one time, so hey, you're cool. Quote
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