couw Posted October 13, 2004 Report Posted October 13, 2004 I'll be shaking my booty over some bouncing potholes now. Well there you have it - you can shake your booty with the assistance of a pothole, or that of some James Brown records. The choice is obvious, I'd think! James Brown records are also just potholes. Although they can be terribly annoying, once you learn the truth not to programme the time switch to have them play at full power in the middle of the night when you're sleeping, all is well. Quote
couw Posted October 13, 2004 Report Posted October 13, 2004 It's not that I dislike potholes, really. It's just that I know them well enough that they no longer hold a thrill, or a challenge, or anything else that would encourage me to continue being interested in them. There was a time, but as the song says, the thrill is gone... I mean, they either get fixed or they don't. Once you realize that, you have a choice of forever agonizing over the ones that don't, or just getting on with everything else that can be done in the same time. You're going to live for as long as you're going to live, so choose wisely. All I meant was that there are other reasons to play music than to learn the deepest truths of life and everyday hassles. Fun being a leading one. Quote
JSngry Posted October 13, 2004 Report Posted October 13, 2004 nothing defines something (and v.v.) and thereby becomes something only on a system level. nothing defines something (and v.v.) and thereby becomes something only on a higher scale....IOW, I'm glad there's room for beer in my bottle. Well, there you have it again! It's the higher scale (or as Coltrane said of Ayler in a musical/metaphysical sense, the "higher partials") that get and hold my interest these days. And I'm just glad there's beer. The bottle is a good facilitator, but by no means is it necessary. Quote
JSngry Posted October 13, 2004 Report Posted October 13, 2004 All I meant was that there are other reasons to play music than to learn the deepest truths of life and everyday hassles. Fun being a leading one. Well, for some of us, that IS fun! And besides, you never really learn anything other than how much you don't know. But that's fun too. Quote
JSngry Posted October 13, 2004 Report Posted October 13, 2004 James Brown records are also just potholes. No wonder you drink so much! Quote
couw Posted October 13, 2004 Report Posted October 13, 2004 nothing defines something (and v.v.) and thereby becomes something only on a system level. nothing defines something (and v.v.) and thereby becomes something only on a higher scale....IOW, I'm glad there's room for beer in my bottle. Well, there you have it again! It's the higher scale (or as Coltrane said of Ayler in a musical/metaphysical sense, the "higher partials") that get and hold my interest these days. And I'm just glad there's beer. The bottle is a good facilitator, but by no means is it necessary. higher scales alone are as boring as the lower ones alone. the thrill is in the connections and in jumping scales. and as for the beer, your focus on the bottle instead of the nothing it represents does not exactly show a love for the higher partials. Though there is some fun in your refusal to stick to the appropriate level You will need some nothing somewhere, you cannot enjoy your drink when your mouth is stuffed shut. Quote
couw Posted October 13, 2004 Report Posted October 13, 2004 James Brown records are also just potholes. No wonder you drink so much! damn, busted! I blame catesta Quote
couw Posted October 13, 2004 Report Posted October 13, 2004 All I meant was that there are other reasons to play music than to learn the deepest truths of life and everyday hassles. Fun being a leading one. Well, for some of us, that IS fun! And besides, you never really learn anything other than how much you don't know. But that's fun too. pffff, do you have stocks in the tiling business? Quote
John L Posted October 13, 2004 Report Posted October 13, 2004 (edited) I don't know. If Brotzmann shook his booty to some James Brown, I think that would make one grand canyon. And don't tell me that some kind of pothole could contain him. Edited October 13, 2004 by John L Quote
JSngry Posted October 13, 2004 Report Posted October 13, 2004 higher scales alone are as boring as the lower ones alone. the thrill is in the connections and in jumping scales. At last - COMPLETE agreement. But you gotta have both in order to use both... Quote
JSngry Posted October 13, 2004 Report Posted October 13, 2004 pffff, do you have stocks in the tiling business? Doesn't that question belong in the mosaic forum? Quote
JSngry Posted October 13, 2004 Report Posted October 13, 2004 I don't know. If Brotzmann shook his booty to some James Brown, I think that would make one grand canyon. Robert McCollough done done that. Quote
couw Posted October 13, 2004 Report Posted October 13, 2004 higher scales alone are as boring as the lower ones alone. the thrill is in the connections and in jumping scales. At last - COMPLETE agreement. But you gotta have both in order to use both... that's what I have been trying to tell you all along really. You and your silly holes.... We're off! Quote
JSngry Posted October 13, 2004 Report Posted October 13, 2004 that's what I have been trying to tell you all along really. Could've fooled me. I could've swore I was hearing a glorification of the pothole, and a denigration of the Grand Canyon, as well as a championing of the notion that it was silly to lose interest in dwelling on the former once one has become satiated with it. But I'm up past my bedtime, so.... Quote
JSngry Posted October 13, 2004 Report Posted October 13, 2004 You and your silly holes.... Now THAT you can blame on Catesta! Quote
couw Posted October 13, 2004 Report Posted October 13, 2004 that's what I have been trying to tell you all along really. Could've fooled me. I could've swore I was hearing a glorification of the pothole, and a denigration of the Grand Canyon, as well as a championing of the notion that it was silly to lose interest in dwelling on the former once one has become satiated with it. darn, and I had the distinct impression you were doing just the opposite of that. now, where's that catesta guy... Quote
JSngry Posted October 13, 2004 Report Posted October 13, 2004 that's what I have been trying to tell you all along really. Could've fooled me. I could've swore I was hearing a glorification of the pothole, and a denigration of the Grand Canyon, as well as a championing of the notion that it was silly to lose interest in dwelling on the former once one has become satiated with it. darn, and I had the distinct impression you were doing just the opposite of that. Not exactly, although I can see where you might think that. The pothole no longer holds any fascination or entertainment value for me. AT ALL. But that's not to say that I haven't come to know it well, nor that it's a deeply ingrained part of "who I am". I have, and it is. There's no "hate" or "denigration" other than that of the "familiarity breeds contempt" variety. And even then "contempt" is way too strong a word. But "familiarity" certainly isn't... Let's just say that I've "been there, done that", and these days the t-shirt is plenty good enough, thank you, even if it's now a few sizes too small. Quote
couw Posted October 13, 2004 Report Posted October 13, 2004 Let's just say that I've "been there, done that", and these days the t-shirt is plenty good enough, thank you, even if it's now a few sizes too small. potbelly? Quote
WD45 Posted October 13, 2004 Report Posted October 13, 2004 Why the focus on Brötzmann? I know I have moments after I hear a record or a solo where I feel I should sell everything else and just listen to that record or solo. This is a temporary thing that soon raises the bar of my entire lifetime listening experience. I wouldn't call Brötzmann a pothole. How about Niagra Falls? Quote
couw Posted October 13, 2004 Report Posted October 13, 2004 The pothole no longer holds any fascination or entertainment value for me. AT ALL. nothing is also something But that's not to say that I haven't come to know it well, nor that it's a deeply ingrained part of "who I am". I have, and it is. Fascinating.... Quote
Jazzmoose Posted October 14, 2004 Report Posted October 14, 2004 Okay; I'm here with my hipwaders and a shovel...carry on! Quote
JSngry Posted October 14, 2004 Report Posted October 14, 2004 (edited) You'll not need a shovel to dig the Ayler set, this I can promise. The hipwaders, otoh, are entirely a personal matter. Some chicks dig that "outdoorsy" look, so go for whatcha' know! Edited October 14, 2004 by JSngry Quote
danasgoodstuff Posted October 15, 2004 Report Posted October 15, 2004 Nice tangent guys, no really, but can we get this back on track? Still exploring the box, lot's of nice stuff, particulary dug the Live trio stuff from '64. Can't help thinking 'what if' and wishing things could've gone better for Al & Don, although it seems they played more gigs than I had been led to believe...course it doesn't say if or how much said gigs actually paid. Does any one know how extensive Coltrane's financial help to Albert was? Any further thoughts on the wealth of music? What about the new Live at the Foundation de Whosey Whatsy album currently featured on the ESP site, is this previously unissued? Music is the healing force of the universe, at least Albert's is, IMHO. Quote
king ubu Posted October 15, 2004 Report Posted October 15, 2004 Had a listen to the army band and the '62 tracks. While the two former are not more than a nice gesture, the '62 tracks are rather nice! Ayler stretches out on "Sonnymoon", tackles "Summertime" (his version on "My Name is Albert Ayler" is awesome, maybe my favourite recording of this tune!), and his favourite standard, "On Green Dolphin Street" (this too is on "My Name..."). Is this just me or are there, if not traces, at least similarities, in Ayler's style (sound AND lines) to Yusef Lateef's? I am not really strong about it, but I seem to hear ties. Anyone else? ubu Quote
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