mikeweil Posted June 9, 2004 Report Posted June 9, 2004 Luis Gasca. Gasca was ? is ? great. Latin fire and modern bop sophistication. Too bad his recordings are few and even rarer on CD. What has become of him? Quote
chris olivarez Posted June 9, 2004 Report Posted June 9, 2004 Luis Gasca. Gasca was ? is ? great. Latin fire and modern bop sophistication. Too bad his recordings are few and even rarer on CD. What has become of him? Unfortunately Mike I think Heroin got the better of him. Quote
Free For All Posted June 9, 2004 Report Posted June 9, 2004 Luis Gasca. Gasca was ? is ? great. Latin fire and modern bop sophistication. Too bad his recordings are few and even rarer on CD. What has become of him? Luis Gasca was living in Austin when I was there in the 80s. He had a pretty bad rep (few trusted him) and apparently he kind of moved around until he wore out his welcome in a city and then would move on. I did some charts for him that I never got paid for. He did throw me some work, though, and considering how green I was at that point I was lucky to get the experience. The one and only time I saw Chet (in Austin) he seemed pretty out of it. After the first set he disappeared with Luis and when they returned for the second set, Chet was REALLY out of it. It was still cool to get to see him though. That being said, Luis could play! He'd piss you off and then charm you back with some soulful blowing and a bigass sound. I heard a long time ago that he had passed, and then recently I heard he had faked that to avoid some kind of trouble. I have no idea where he is now. But he owes me money! Quote
Eloe Omoe Posted June 9, 2004 Report Posted June 9, 2004 I heard a long time ago that he had passed, and then recently I heard he had faked that to avoid some kind of trouble. I have no idea where he is now. But he owes me money! I found a 2002 interview with Gasca, on www.jazzreview.com : Luis Gasca Luca Quote
Brownian Motion Posted June 9, 2004 Report Posted June 9, 2004 All trumpet players are underrated. Unless they're overerrated. Quote
chris olivarez Posted June 10, 2004 Report Posted June 10, 2004 So rumours of the death of Luis Gasca are greatly exaggerated. Eloe thanks for the info and Free For All I hope you get compensated down the road. Quote
Chuck Nessa Posted June 10, 2004 Report Posted June 10, 2004 Floyd LeFlore, Fred Berry and the (relatively) famous Baikida Carroll. Quote
blue lake Posted June 10, 2004 Report Posted June 10, 2004 Chuck, I'm not hip -- who are those first two guys? Quote
Trumpet Guy Posted June 10, 2004 Report Posted June 10, 2004 Fred Berry told me he was the original trumpeter in the Art Ensemble Of Chicago... Quote
Chuck Nessa Posted June 10, 2004 Report Posted June 10, 2004 Fred was in the Roscoe Mitchell Quartet circa 1962-64. Other members were Malachi Favors and Alvin Fielder. Quote
ajf67 Posted August 18, 2004 Report Posted August 18, 2004 I'll echo the votes for Richard WIlliams and Bill Dixon. I'll add Charles Tolliver. I think most of the Music, Inc. stuff is available on CD. Some titles to look for are "Music, Inc.", "Live at Slugs" "In Tokyo" and if you can find it on vinyl "Live at the Loosdrecht Jazz Festival." The Loosdrecht one has an interesting, long take on Stanley Cowell's "Prayer for Peace." Quote
GA Russell Posted August 18, 2004 Report Posted August 18, 2004 (edited) Chet Baker recorded an album with Richard Twardzik which I really enjoy. I consider it underrated because it has been in print so rarely over the past nearly fifty years. Most recently, about fifteen years ago, Universal released it as Volume One of the four volume Chet in Paris series. Edited August 18, 2004 by GA Russell Quote
cannonball-addict Posted August 18, 2004 Report Posted August 18, 2004 Ron Stout, George Rabbai, and Roger Ingram (played with the Herman bands of the 80s) Eddie Allen (Carl's older brother who has played with the best of the best including Muhal Richard Abrams, Charli Persip Superband, Steve Turre and Lester Bowie) James Zollar (has played with Mongo, David Murray, Cecil McBee, Steve Coleman, Lester Bowie, Don Byron and others) Booker Little (needs no explanation) Mike Lawrence (on several Fantast releases back in the day including Joe Henderson's "The Kicker") Quote
BeBop Posted August 18, 2004 Report Posted August 18, 2004 (edited) Second: Eddie Henderson and Charles Tolliver Still Pondering: Luis Gasca (aka Johnny Spain) Add: Red Rodney (still playing well in the 80s), Nat Adderly (in the shadows for too much of this period), Wilbur Harden Underrated?: Woody Shaw, Blue Mitchell, Booker Little Anyone for?: Bill Chase? Edited August 18, 2004 by BeBop Quote
cannonball-addict Posted August 18, 2004 Report Posted August 18, 2004 (edited) Underrated?:Â Woody Shaw, Blue Mitchell, Booker Little Woody Shaw - not really underrated Booker Little - let's see a show of hands of people who appreciate his who actually have Booker in their collections right now. Yeah so go out and buy some! Blue Mitchell - among youngsters today like myself, no one knows about him and very few are educating about his legacy; a lot of his stuff is being sampled today by DJs for remixes and I'm pretty sure he's not recieving the royalties Edited August 18, 2004 by cannonball-addict Quote
ajf67 Posted August 18, 2004 Report Posted August 18, 2004 Booker Little - let's see a show of hands who actually has Booker in their collection right now. Yeah I thought so! I'm one. I'm by no means a Booker expert, but I like what I have heard. What sticks out in my mind is his playing on Max Roach's We Insist!. Quote
ajf67 Posted August 18, 2004 Report Posted August 18, 2004 Just caught your edits. I was posting while you were editing. Looks like we agree. Quote
cannonball-addict Posted August 18, 2004 Report Posted August 18, 2004 Ernie Royal Snooky Young Yay for Joe Wilder. Somebody else knows about him. He has been rightly honored as a member of the Smithsonian Jazz Masterworks Orchestra. Quote
king ubu Posted August 18, 2004 Report Posted August 18, 2004 Listening to this one right now: Very very nice! Wilder's also on the Hank Jones Savoy album, "Bluebird," providing one of the highlights, in my opinion, of that album. How about Lew Soloff? ubu Quote
Miles251 Posted August 19, 2004 Report Posted August 19, 2004 Good to see Thad on the list....very underrated trumpet player as far as I am concerned! A great player who played like he wrote..... Let's not forget Kenny Wheeler and his very distinctive sound and approach....his 70s recordings on ECM, in my opinion, helped create the "sound" of the label....and I'm sure that we're all hip to his writing as well! Quote
Chrome Posted August 19, 2004 Report Posted August 19, 2004 How 'bout Cecil Bridgewater? I've only heard him as a sideman, but I like what I've heard. Quote
cannonball-addict Posted August 19, 2004 Report Posted August 19, 2004 Cecil Bridgewater does a lot of composing/arranging work in New York. He's also done a lot of work with his ex - Dee Dee Bridgewater. Is Wallace Roney underappreciated? I dunno. I welcome arguments for and against. The cat can play. king.ubu - I was thinking off Soloff today. Good call. Quote
ajf67 Posted August 19, 2004 Report Posted August 19, 2004 Cecil Bridgewater does a lot of composing/arranging work in New York. He's also done a lot of work with his ex - Dee Dee Bridgewater. Is Wallace Roney underappreciated? I dunno. I welcome arguments for and against. The cat can play. king.ubu - I was thinking off Soloff today. Good call. Not sure about Wallace Roney. I've liked some of his albums. But, I saw him live at Blues Alley a while back, and he totally phoned it in. Couldn't get off the stage fast enough and played with absolutely no heart. I realize that could be for any number of reasons, but i've never really been able to listen to him the same after that. He did some nice things on that last Miles Davis live album with Quincy Jones. Quote
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