Rooster_Ties Posted June 3, 2004 Report Posted June 3, 2004 One of my favorite threads on the old BNBB was the "underrated trumpeters" thread. So, let's start a new one. Who are some of your favorites, and please cite the specific recordings that you have (or have heard) for those of us wanting to track some of these players down. They don't have the be the very best trumpeters ever, just 'interesting' on some level, and deserving of a little more recognition than they normally ever get. Here's an obscure one that I rather like, which I'll mention by way of quoting myself from another thread... By the way, I tried to make the case for Vincent McEwan back on the BNBB. I realize, he's only on like ONE real jazz date in his whole entire career, John Patton's "Boogaloo" - which was a session that was still in the can until like 1999!! ( ) Still, from that one date, I do think he's a curriously interesting trumpet player. Sure, not at all compared to the 'big' names (and even the 'little' names!!). But, I do really think that he's far more interesting than his incredibly modest output would indicate. (I mean, he's like 10 times more obscure that Tyrone Washington!!) And no, I'm not trying to make any kind of case for McEwan as being some long, lost 'great' trumpeter. Just this: that he's far more interesting than I'd ever expect, for a guy who recorded on one and only one "real" (meaning "heavy" and somewhat "progressive") jazz album in his entire career. And, on an album that didn't even see the light of day until 30+ years after it was recorded. Come on - all of you who own "Boogaloo", admit it. Based on his prior track record, and limited discography - he's a better player than you would have thought, no?? Quote
rockefeller center Posted June 3, 2004 Report Posted June 3, 2004 (edited) If anyone of you has any Marcus Belgrave recordings (especially "Gemini II") I'd very, very much like to set up a trade. Edited June 3, 2004 by rockefeller center Quote
undergroundagent Posted June 3, 2004 Report Posted June 3, 2004 (edited) Two trumpeters, IMHO, which should be on everyone's "underrated" list are Dizzy Reece and Howard McGhee. I'd definately recommend any of Reece's four individual albums, or the Mosaic Select. For McGhee, I'd check out "Volume One" and "Volume Two." I particularly enjoy the first track on Vol. 2 entitled "Jarm." Tal Farlow smokes on this album. Edited June 3, 2004 by undergroundagent Quote
Eloe Omoe Posted June 4, 2004 Report Posted June 4, 2004 My vote goes to Clarence (or Gene) Shaw, whose three Argo dates I have always loved (in addition to his work on a couple of great Mingus records) Luca Quote
randyhersom Posted June 4, 2004 Report Posted June 4, 2004 Michael Ray, best known to jazz audiences for his contributions to Sun Ra groups from the mid 70s on. Charles Sullivan, Dupree Bolton, Jabbo Smith ... Quote
Hardbopjazz Posted June 4, 2004 Report Posted June 4, 2004 Tommy Turrentine. Too bad he dropped off the scene. Quote
PHILLYQ Posted June 4, 2004 Report Posted June 4, 2004 Charles Sullivan, ... He appears on a Sonny Fortune album(probably not on cd), 'Waves of Dreams', and I saw him play with Sonny Fortune then, about 1980, I think. If you saw the guy then, you'd swear he couldn't possibly play a brass instrument. He was about 6'4" and I don't think he weighed more than 150 lbs., but he could blow bigtime. I wonder what happened to him. Anybody know? Quote
John Tapscott Posted June 4, 2004 Report Posted June 4, 2004 Sam Noto. I very much enjoy two of his mid 70's Xanadu albums - "Entrance!" and "Act One" (especially the latter). Quote
paul secor Posted June 4, 2004 Report Posted June 4, 2004 Taft Jordan Ted Curson Wilbur Harden Henry "Red" Allen Quote
Larry Kart Posted June 4, 2004 Report Posted June 4, 2004 Philly -- Charles Sullivan played in pit orchestras on Broadway from 1981-95, according to the notes for his nice 1996 Arabesque album, Kamau, with Craig Handy, Kenny Barron, Rodney Whittaker, and Victor Lewis. (Kamua Adilifua is Sullivan's new name; don't know what he's doing now that he's left the Broadway field.) I heard him with that Sonny Fortune band, too. He sounded -- to borrow a phrase someone once applied to Jean-Pierre Rampal -- like he was using bottled air; when did he breathe? A remarkable player, and if memory serves, a fair bit more fiery in-person with Fortune than he is on the Arabesque album, good though it is. BTW, Sullivan brings to mind another bottled-air guy, Carl Saunders. Definitely underrated, perhaps because he's such a great trumpeter player technically that you tend to think that he can't be that much of a thinker -- but at his best, I think he is. Quote
Dmitry Posted June 4, 2004 Report Posted June 4, 2004 (edited) The most underrated trumpet players of 60s-70s, in order of magnitude. 1.Richard Williams 2.Richard Williams 3.Richard Williams Edited June 4, 2004 by Dmitry Quote
brownie Posted June 4, 2004 Report Posted June 4, 2004 Don Joseph. Wish there was more to hear from him than his Uptown album and a few appearances with the Gerry Mulligan Concert Jazz Band. Quote
Free For All Posted June 4, 2004 Report Posted June 4, 2004 (edited) ....another vote for Richard Williams! also: Bill Hardman Tony Fruscella Dusko Goykovich (sp.?) Sonny Berman Edited June 4, 2004 by Free For All Quote
king ubu Posted June 4, 2004 Report Posted June 4, 2004 ....another vote for Richard Williams! And another one! I know not everybody likes this album, but for us Williams fans, it has to be great! It's one of my cherished ones. ubu Quote
Green Dolphin Posted June 4, 2004 Report Posted June 4, 2004 Do Leo Smith and Roy Campbell count as underrated ?I think so. Arve Henriksen too. Quote
tooter Posted June 4, 2004 Report Posted June 4, 2004 I would like to add Carmell Jones, and this is a good example. Quote
king ubu Posted June 4, 2004 Report Posted June 4, 2004 I would like to add Carmell Jones, and this is a good example. Good call! Though this is the only recording of his (except some sideman things) I have so far (will pick up the Select some fine day...) How about Johnny Coles? Love him! His quartet album (on Epic, originally, I think, reissued on Koch) is one of my favourite trumpet quartet albums. ubu Quote
king ubu Posted June 4, 2004 Report Posted June 4, 2004 How about Johnny Coles? Love him! indeed, but I prefer it in original colours: But I don't have an OBI, as I have the Conn. ubu Quote
EKE BBB Posted June 4, 2004 Report Posted June 4, 2004 I have the blue-ish Spanish Time Life edition. Quote
king ubu Posted June 4, 2004 Report Posted June 4, 2004 I have the blue-ish Spanish Time Life edition. I saw that Quote
EKE BBB Posted June 4, 2004 Report Posted June 4, 2004 I have the blue-ish Spanish Time Life edition. I saw that Touchè Quote
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