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Thanks to everyone who took part in this BFT. I had a blast doing it. I'll post the answers to the Bonus Disc a bit later...

Track 1. “St. Louis Blues” Jaki Byard (p), David Izenzon (B), Elvin Jones (d)

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&u...l=Axw548qzbbtx4

I’m not sure why, but I always knew that my BFT would start with this track. I’ve always dug Byard’s playing, of course, and really appreciate how his style bridges traditional and more “out” playing – as evidenced by this trad number that starts out sounding like an air raid ;) but has a really lovely middle section. This track sets the tone for much of the kind of jazz that I love: traditional, familiar, swinging standards but with a modern edge that really makes them unique and interesting – just skirting the edges of the avant-garde. I thought this was an obscure enough piece so that even with the title so, uh, audible, not everyone would get it. At the same time, there’s no mistaking Elvin…

Track 2. “Freereggaehibop” James Carter & Lester Bowie

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&u...l=Ajpddyl6oxpzb

Yeah, it goes on a bit long, but I really like this track, especially since it stretches the boundaries of jazz by mixing in reggae rhythms (which some liked, others hated). I wanted to include something by both Carter and Bowie, so this fit the bill. Bowie is highlighted here, and his style is so individual that most correctly guessed who it was.

Track 3. “Lady Day and John Coltrane” Gil Scott-Heron

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&u...l=Axaqvadzkv8w5

Jazz? I dunno – you decide. If it makes any difference, Hubert Laws is on sax and flute, Ron Carter’s on bass, and Bernard Purdie’s drums. I thought this was a good barometer to judge just how open-minded some people are on what is and isn’t “jazz.” I have to admit to being a bit disappointed in the consensus…

Track 4. “Elm” Richie Beirach

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&u...l=A9l548qtmbtx4

No one got this one. I’m surprised only because I think “Elm” is such a lovely tune – it should be a jazz standard. My favorite version of this is actually on Beirach’s ECM album of the same title, but I only have it on LP. The violin gives this version a more “classical” feel, but what it lacks in “swing” it makes up for in sheer beauty and lyricism.

Track 5. “More Money Jungle” Rhythm & Brass

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&u...l=A2s821vf1zzba

This was something I discovered a while ago on emusic.com. It’s an interesting album reinterpreting (mostly) Ellington tunes, including several from “Money Jungle.” This track opens the album with a bang. I figured this would get some of the harsher responses…

Track 6. “You Belong to Me” Mose Allison

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&u...l=A3r0qoa8ayijx

Mose is one of my very favorite jazz artists – but mostly for his singing. But his voice is so distinctive that he would hardly make a good BFT candidate. I wanted to represent him as a pianist – and I was fascinated by the various guesses this track received. I’m glad that so many liked it, though it’s probably the safest, most conservative track on this disc. Personally, I was hesitant to include this up until the very last minute. I was torn because I don’t think it’s a particularly strong track – the overall playing is merely average – but I love the tune and this is a relatively rare find on CD. I pulled it off a British comp of Mose’s work – I don’t think it’s available on any U.S. CD release. With Addison Farmer (B) and Ronnie Free (d).

Track 7. “Silence” Keith Jarrett

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&u...l=Avayvadzky8wj

As important as Keith Jarrett has been to me over the years, I had to include something by him. This is a short track by his “American Quartet,” with Dewey Redman, Charlie Haden, and Paul Motian. The tune itself was composed by Haden and is a semi-classic (and so unique), so I was really surprised that it took so long to get this one. This is one of my all-time favorite tracks. Not particular “jazzy,” perhaps – whatever *that* means ;) – but absolutely lovely to me and almost Zen-like in its simplicity. I could listen to this (on “repeat” of course) for hours.

Track 8. “Baltimore Oriole” Four Freshmen

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&u...l=At9ez97lskrrt

Yep, this is from the “dreaded” Mosaic Four Freshmen set. The very first track, in fact – a demo if I remember correctly (I’m too lazy to look up the details at the moment). I must have heard this now a hundred times, but this song continues to give me chills. I will warn you – though it’s my favorite track in the entire box, the box is filled with a lot of sappy stuff that you’d more than likely hate. But this one is sublime…

Track 9. “Witchi-Tai-To” Jim Pepper

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&u...l=Aft98b594tsqs

I have to admit to being most disappointed by the poor reception of this track. Did anyone like it? Yeah, it may skirt the edge of “world music” or “light jazz,” but it’s no more or less “fusion” to me than much of Weather Report or countless CTI albums. I find the groove irresistible and Pepper’s chanting gives the song so much color and character. This is another track that I can listen to over and over again. My wife really likes this one too and it’s gotten me a lot of nookie over the years. And what more can one ask of any song, jazz or otherwise? ;):D

Track 10. “Un Poco Loco” Johnny Smith

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&u...l=A3h90s38wa3vg

From the Johnny Smith Mosaic box. Not a particularly strong track from Smith’s p.o.v, but I just thought it was so ballsy to perform “Un Poco Loco” mostly as a drum solo. That’s Mousey Alexander on drums, btw (who?). I do love the unconventional structure of this one. Like many of you, I don’t think it’s a particularly memorable drum solo, but it’s relatively brief and I think all BFTs need a drum solo… :g

Track 11. “I Got Plenty O’ Nuttin’” F.E.S.

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&u...l=A7jt67uq030jg

I enjoyed reading the reactions to this one! Like Byard’s version of “St. Louis Blues,” this is another modern massacre of a classic song. ;) But it’s also the kind of thing that keeps the classics from turning moldy – and us from becoming “moldy old figs.” There’s hardly any point in performing an old chestnut like this unless you can do something new and inventive with it. I’m glad a couple of you appreciated this as a new discovery – that’s the kind of thing that makes these tests worthwhile to me. I had never heard of F.E.S. (which is short for Flat Earth Society), an avant-garde big band from Belgium, until I found this disc a few months back in the bargain bin at Amoeba. Their version of “St Louis Blues” is even more raucous and amazing, but it was too long to include and besides, Dan would have hated me for life… ;)

Track 12. “The Moon is a Harsh Mistress” Charlie Haden & Pat Metheny

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&u...l=Agnv1z87aoyv6

I was shocked, too, that this took so long to figure out. I thought this duo album by Metheny & Haden was better known than it apparently is. A few mistook Metheny for Scofield (or were confused by the overdubbing) and I’m not sure if anyone mentioned the bassist at all. A few considered this “tv music” (or close to Musak, I would imagine), but to me this is an absolutely lovely tune (yep, a Jimmy Webb composition) that cuts deep down to my heart.

Track 13. “The Eagle and Me” Shirley Horn

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&u...l=Anojleaw14x87

One of my favorite Shirley Horn tracks – yeah, probably because it isn’t so *sloooow.*

Track 14. “Sweet Basil Blues” Abdullah Ibrahim

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&u...l=Alfuw6j2771l0

I love this series of “African Recordings” by Abdullah Ibrahim. I have them on Kaz – which were probably the very first import CDs I ever bought back in the late 80s – and they forever turned me on to Ibrahim. It’s not his strongest work, but I find the sound so distinctive – the most “African” of his many recordings. This track features Blue Mitchell (t), Buster Cooper (tb), and Basil Coetzee on sax.

Track 15. “Roland Kirk’s Message” Charles Mingus

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&u...l=A67d3vwmta9lk

Silly me, thinking I could fool you guys for long… ;) Seriously, I really dig Mingus’ piano playing and this disc is terrific.

Track 16. “Peace and Love” Gary Bartz

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&u...l=A15j20rnar48z

I first heard this album only a few months ago – another “discovery” from emusic – and immediately fell in love with this track. To me, this track is as passionate and personal a statement as “A Love Supreme.” A few of you didn’t care for Bartz’ voice but that’s so missing the point of this music. His sax solo at the end is so moving to me – it’s just perfect. As soon as I heard this I knew this was how I wanted to end my BFT…

Posted

Well, I nailed 4 out of 16... much better than my average ratio of 0%! ^_^

Thanks again for a great BFT, Ray!

There´s been a lively and fresh discussion as well. Hope there will be some similar interest in my only-Ellington BFT#13... :P

Posted (edited)

Bonus Disc Answers...

1. “Hit that Jive, Jack” Slim Gaillard

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&u...l=A0ev1z83aoyvj

As Mike correctly realized, this is part one of the “Groove Juice Symphony” from 1946. Slim Gaillard on piano, guitar, and drums, and vocals; Bam Brown on bass and piano. My god, all that noise from only two people? Oroonie! I cut this long track up into three parts. This continues into tracks 10 and 17…

2. “Open the Door, Richard” Count Basie

The Basie version of this hit, from 1947. It’s on RCA Victor, which is why it’s so damn hard to find. :(

3. “Now’s the Time” Charlie Parker

As noted, the famous Savoy version.

4. “D-Natural Blues” Lucky Millinder

Pretty much the same tune as “Now’s the Time.” That’s Harold Clarke on the tenor sax.

5. “The Hucklebuck” Roy Milton

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&u...l=Ag2k0ikmhbb39

More famously, pretty much the same tune as “D-Natural Blues” and “Now’s the Time.” ;) A famous court case at the time ruled that both “D-Natural Blues” and “Hucklebuck” could exist with separate titles, composer credits, and publishers. A lot of people say that “Hucklebuck” ripped off Bird, but “Hucklebuck” was derived from “D-Natural Blues,” which was written and first recorded way back in 1928. Go figure…

6. “Twitchy” Rene Hall’s Orchestra w/ Willie Joe and his Unitar

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&u...l=Ag2k0ikmhbb39

Damn! I love that Uni-tar! I wish I knew what the hell it was. Don’t know much about Willie Joe either – he only appeared on a small handful of singles – but it’s a crime that he’s not better known…

7. “Safronia B” Calvin Boze

Perhaps my favorite jump blues tune of them all. “I surrender, I surrender!” :g

8. “Cadillac Boogie” Jimmy Liggins

If you like this stuff, you’ve gotta check out Specialty Records, my favorite non-jazz indie label of all time. Owner Art Rupe could have had the Beatles… :o

9. “Sonny Could Lick All Them Cats” Chuck E. Weiss

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&u...l=Alkuj6j8o7180

You know that Ricki Lee Jones’ tune “Chuck E.’s in Love?” This is that cat. I used to see Chuck play in a small coffeehouse in North Hollywood each Friday night for the better part of a year. He’s a Slim Gaillard fan as well…

10. “C-Jam Blues” Slim Gaillard

11. “Oh Lady Be Good” Albert Ammons

I’m kind of surprised that no one guessed Ammons. From that Radio-shaped Mercury box…

12. “Swinging the Boogie” Hadda Brooks

Heck, now I can’t remember which comp I pulled this from. Some of those chicks sure could play back then! ;)

13. “Money Blues” Camille Howard

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&u...l=Ag2k0ikmhbb39

Camille Howard is featured on vocals on this track, but she’s a damn fine boogie pianist as well. Check out her “X-temporaneous Boogie.”

14. “Reckless Night on Board an Ocean Liner” Raymond Scott

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&u...l=Aahw67uy070j0

What a creative mind. He’s not just Looney Tunes…

15. “I’m in the Mood for Love” King Pleasure (Aladdin Records version)

If I can find where I put the box/liner notes, I’ll tell you the name of the female singer…

16. “Trouble in Mind” Archie Shepp & Horace Parlan

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&u...l=Ahy61mppd9f8o

Just to shake things up a bit. But it fits right in, don’t you think?

17. “Flat Foot Floogie” Slim Gaillard

18. “Undecided” Slam Stewart & Major Holley

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&u...l=Agnm1z84a8yv8

Slam, of course, was one half of Slim & Slam. I love his style, but a little of it goes a long way…

19. “Cherokee Dance” Bob Landers w/Willie Joe & his Unitar

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&u...l=Ag2k0ikmhbb39

Holy Shit! ‘Nuf said!

20. “Looped” Melvin Smith

Calvin Boze also did a version of this song.

21. “Insect Ball” Big Jay McNeely

I love these honkers & shouters…

22. “Smooth Sailing” Lucky Thompson

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&u...l=Allf1zfj1ehak

Threw this in just in case you didn’t like the wilder stuff. But this is part of the same big melting pot. Lucky and Big Jay were playing across town from each other…

23. “Nuthin’ From Nuthin’” Sun Ra

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&u...l=Aov2tk6hxlkrj

Wasn’t expecting Sun Ra were you? This is a Pat Patrick composition from 1986. Fits right in…

24. “The Piano Has Been Drinking” Tom Waits

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&u...l=Aqlf5zf0heh4k

What can I say? :g Pretty obvious to most I’m very glad to discover…

25. “Deacon’s Hop” Big Jay McNeely

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&u...l=Allf1zfj1ehak

A fitting close…

Edited by RDK
Posted

At last all is revealed - been a bit like a striptease. Thanks for an entertaining BFT, Ray. I will remember this one for a long time. Not much success for me as usual but perhaps it will come with practice.

Posted

First thing, RDK, thanks for a great test. I had a ball.

Track 3. “Lady Day and John Coltrane” Gil Scott-Heron:

If it isn't jazz, I do not know what it is;)

Track 4. “Elm” Richie Beirach:

At first, I had thought of Zbigniew Seifert. How strange, since "Elm" is dedicated to him. Then, I moved on to D.D.Jackson on piano and Christian Howes on violin, but I did not dare to write it ;) As a matter of fact, I have this CD, but I had never listened to this track. The piece was familiar to me from its ECM recording but I couldn't nail it down.

Track 7. “Silence” Keith Jarrett:

I knew from the beginning that it was Haden's composition, but at first I hadn't thought of the Jarrett quartet version. Then, of course, I gave the record a spin, and there it was...

Track 9. “Witchi-Tai-To” Jim Pepper:

I love this record (as just as almost everything Jim Pepper plays on).

Track 10. “Un Poco Loco” Johnny Smith :

My private guess was Jack Marshall and Shelly Manne, but I knew it couldn't be Shelly.

Track 16. “Peace and Love” Gary Bartz:

I was there, that night! :D Eleven years old, but I was there. Thanks Dad :g:g

Thanks again! :D

Luca

Posted (edited)

Thanks a lot Ray !

not to bad this time I guess, but I'm again following Mikes golden BFT rule: there is always one you have but didn't recognize...

the Haden&Metheny is the one on that record that sounded to much like the former stuff with Lyle Mays that I have not got it right on the spot.. shame on me.. I guess I have to much of the Metheny's to properly identify them... B)

Cheers, Tjobbe

EDIT: but I least now do not need to feel guilty loving this BT track12 as i do not need to buy it now... (which would have been the one I put on my "to-buy" short list...puh)

Edited by tjobbe
Posted

Yeah, I like Witchi-Tai-To too. Sheila Jordan did it on Little Song, I think, and it took a few listens to get over my reactions to the vocals, but it happened. I've always liked Oregon's instrumental version, but it's quite a different experience with the vocals.

Nice sets RDK, thanks.

Posted

RDK -

I just wanted to say again that you did a great job with this BFT. It was a lot of fun hearing these tracks. I think a lot more people dug the Pepper track than you might think, but the naysayers seemed to have spoken louder.

Posted (edited)

Nicely done! This was a great BFT for it certainly opened me up to more exploration as usual. F.E.S.!, and I have never heard Richie Beirach save for passings on the radio. :tup

I steered away from the second disc for the time being, looks like a killer!!!! (I probably would have gotten a few of them) That is, as Mike sez..., one party record!!!

Apologies on my bitchy for "Witchi Tai To". There was a DJ in R.I. that would play that song waaaay too many times. He also played only one cut by Pharoah all the time ;) as well as playing the shit out of "Compared To What" and "The Revolution Will Not..." thus sealing the deal on all of those for me. Amazing how music shapes our memories for good as well as... I just need to get over it.

Looking forward to seeing all the commentary. Your'e a "Hip King"!

Edited by Man with the Golden Arm
Posted

:o

Track 5 on disc one, oh man, I bought that cd when I saw those guys perform in Phoenix with the symphony a few summers ago.

The problem is I don't think I ever listened to it, and I know I don't have it anymore.

Posted

Seriously, no apologies needed from anyone regarding any track(s). As I said in the beginning, I would have been shocked if anyone liked *all* of them. I purposely tried for a diverse mix of tunes and, to be honest, I've listened to them so much lately that I've grown sick of a few of them myself... :w

Posted

but I'm again following Mikes golden BFT rule: there is always one you have but didn't recognize...

Heck, I broke my own record with the last blindfold test: there were *four* tunes that I had but didn't recognize! :wacko:

Posted

thanks again for a great BFT experience Ray, I hope to get back to this thread with some more detailed remarks, but I have been hoping that all days since you posted it... bit busy here really... Nevertheless a big :tup for FES and for the unexpectedly (after all the bashing) great 4freshmen track. And as for Jim Pepper: I have the Path disk and I like it quite a bit when I skip this track. It rubs wrong and gives a much too lightweight impression of Pepper I think.

Posted

Track 8. ?Baltimore Oriole? Four Freshmen

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&u...l=At9ez97lskrrt

Yep, this is from the ?dreaded? Mosaic Four Freshmen set. The very first track, in fact ? a demo if I remember correctly (I?m too lazy to look up the details at the moment). I must have heard this now a hundred times, but this song continues to give me chills. I will warn you ? though it?s my favorite track in the entire box, the box is filled with a lot of sappy stuff that you?d more than likely hate. But this one is sublime?

Well, 9 CDs to get this one highlight of a track? What else do you really like on the set besides this one, which is a real gem and gives me the chills, too?

Posted

Track 4. ?Elm? Richie Beirach

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&u...l=A9l548qtmbtx4

No one got this one. I?m surprised only because I think ?Elm? is such a lovely tune ? it should be a jazz standard. My favorite version of this is actually on Beirach?s ECM album of the same title, but I only have it on LP. The violin gives this version a more ?classical? feel, but what it lacks in ?swing? it makes up for in sheer beauty and lyricism.

This Beirach track is another gem for me, and I wonder if that was the first step leading to three more CDs with these musicians, homages to Bartok, Mompou and another composer I cannot recall right now. I have to dig out an interview with Beirach he gave after the Bartok disc came out. I linked them in the Bartok thread someone started recently. I dig this very much, a great alternative to other schools of jazz violin playing.

I was thinking of Beirach and Hübner, but never heard any of their recordings, so I kept my mouth shut ...

Posted

21. “Insect Ball” Big Jim McNeely

I love these honkers & shouters…

22. “Smooth Sailing” Lucky Thompson

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&u...l=Allf1zfj1ehak

Threw this in just in case you didn’t like the wilder stuff. But this is part of the same big melting pot. Lucky and Big Jim were playing across town from each other…

Big JIM McNeely? Is it possible that was a double typo, or am I just clueless? I've heard of Big JAY McNeely, of course...

Thanks again for a fun test, Ray. There wasn't a lot for me to like on Disc 1, but Disc 2 was a different story.

On Disc 1, I was intrigued with track 4- "Elm", which will probably cause me to investigate this album further. Anybody that liked this, if you're at all fond of Jobim, I would recommend checking out a CD called CASA by the group Morelenbaum2/Sakamoto (or the follow-up CD, A DAY IN NEW YORK). These include the vocals of Paula Morelenbaum, so they're different in that respect, and Jaques Morelenbaum is a cellist (not a violinist), but the overall sound is somewhat similar to this.

Also, I learned that it's time I stopped neglecting Mose Allison. I enjoy his singing too, so I don't think I can go wrong with most of his work. I think this was a tasty piano track by Mose. Too bad it's not available on CD (?). Oh well, I'll find something good by him on CD.

Biggest shock in the answers- that "Baltimore Oriole" was by the Four Freshmen. I thought it was a gag at first. Just not at all what I would have expected from the FF. At any rate, I thought the arrangement was interesting, but repeated listened only empasized the fact that I hated the lead vocal on this. Sounded like the guy was constip... oh, never mind! :w I'll bet I would like some of the "sappier" stuff in that set. I enjoy vocal harmony (even some barbershop stuff, in small doses), and I dig the Bossa Nova group "Os Cariocas", some of the Double Six of Paris stuff, etc etc... I haven't even identified which groups I like, as a matter of fact. There was a TV ad sampling that genre recently (either SBC or Southwest Airlines, both of which have used some pretty cool and obscure stuff) which knocked me out . As long as this type of thing is fairly hip, which I think some of it is, I dig it.

Regardiing Disc 2, I'm amazed at the number of names here that I've never heard of before (Rene Hall/Willie Joe; Calvin Boze; Chuck E. Weiss; Raymond Scott; Bob Landers; and Melvin Smith). I also kind of wish you had provided more info on some of these artists and tracks, Ray :unsure: The AMG links are kind of tedious, and some of them you didn't even give us that. But I know you said some of this stuff was pulled from some obscure sources. Just a minor complaint. :)

The more I listened to Disc 2, the more I realized that for me, a little of this stuff may go a long way (to echo the comment about Slim Gaillard). Some of it gets me outta my chair, but the more I listen to it, the more the effect seems to wear off. Maybe I'm just getting too old. Anyway, I do want to pick up some R&B/jump/jive type of stuff, and this disc will inspire me to get on it. I wonder if that Gaillard Proper box would be overkill. Hell, I still haven't gotten around to picking up any Louis Jordan. I'm way behind in this category, despite having spent years as a blunatic back my college days.

One thing that really impressed me on some of these old cuts was the sound quality. Maybe I remember hearing this stuff on scratchy LP's (and I actually used to collect some 78's during my days as a flea market hound, and had at least one Slim Gaillard 78). From the opening notes of "Hit That Jive, Jack", I was really groovin' to the sound quality, in addition to the music.

Posted

I also kind of wish you had provided more info on some of these artists and tracks, Ray :unsure: The AMG links are kind of tedious, and some of them you didn't even give us that. But I know you said some of this stuff was pulled from some obscure sources. Just a minor complaint. :)

Understood, Jim, and I agree. In a few cases, I don't have any more info than the titles and leaders, in a few other cases I was simply too lazy to find the discs/liners that have since become lost in the shuffle. I'll try to add whatever I can to the notes later tonight.

I also have a list of a few recommended albums/box sets that I'll post for anyone interested in this kind of stuff...

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