What vinyl are you spinning right now??

[rostasi]

[Chalupa]

Don Cherry - Complete Communion - from Mosaic box set.

Maybe I am getting too old for such stuff.

Why do you say that?

I noted that I listen to less and less 'avantgarde' and 'free jazz' in these days.

It's getting more and more difficult for me to follow the lines of the musicians, at some point I loose the road and I find myself in a unpleasant and unknown sound mess.

Maybe I am only distracted by my own thoughts and I follow them, instead of music.

It could be a temporary lapse in concentration about music in general, it will pass, I hope.

Surprised you find Complete Communion particularly difficult. I've been listening to jazz for over fifty years and am frankly most at home in the era of Pres and Bird, but the swing and emotional intensity of CC just carries me along. Now, if you said you found Cecil Taylor or Ornette Coleman's Free Jazz hard to listen to, I'd be less surprised!

True, CC isn't the best sample. It's more a general mood I am into right now. I spoke out because I was listening to it. In these days I wouldn't dare to spin a late Trane or Cecil Taylor record.

Strange as I'm having the opposite reaction at 44. In the past three or four years all I want to hear is the Avant Garde/Out/Free stuff. I can't remember the last time I pulled out, say, an early Blue Note, and gave it a spin.

In these days I wouldn't dare to spin a late Trane or Cecil Taylor record.

One drawback of becoming an adult is that I have much less time for dedicated listening. Music is usually playing while I'm doing other things. I find that it is very difficult (generally) to have out/free stuff on in the background if I'm not completely focused. If I can close my eyes and give it my undivided, I really like it, but I just don't have the time to do so.

Definitely harder to find the time to have undivided attention for listening to music w/ a 3 year old in the house. I have to bike home at lunch everyday when he's at school to get in a quick album. I don't even dare spin any vinyl if he's rumblin' and tumblin' around the house. That Threadgill album from my previous post above I actually finished up last night after he went to bed. So at night after he's gone to sleep I get to go down to my man cave and listen to CD's on my computer while I catch up w/ email/internets. Luckily for me my wife actually likes about 90% of what I play.

[clifford_thornton]

Henry Threadgill Very Very Circus - Spirit of Nuff...Nuff (Black Saint)

Check out the total times of each side. Side A is 28:48 and Side B clocks in at 29:24!!!

There are some other BS/SN LPs with similar side timings.

Bill Dixon's Thoughts (SN) and Lyons/Cyrille Something In Return come to mind.

[Chalupa]

Seriously? I had always heard that the max timing for one side of an LP was around 22-24 minutes give or take a few seconds. Any more time than that and the grooves would be too crammed together and the recording would sound like shit. Not sure where or when I heard that but obviously this is not the case. This album sounds fine to my ears. I'm guessing that the shorter timings had more to do w/ economic considerations than aural ones.

[The Magnificent Goldberg]

Chuck has commented otherwise; and I seem to recall that RVG advised Alfred Lion to keep sides no more than about 22 minutes long. I suspect it depends on what the music's actually like. If there isn't a wide dynamic range or frequency range, perhaps you can get more on an LP.

But it was noticeable in the seventies, when compilation pop/R&B/Soul LPs began to come out with twenty tracks, that they'd be more likely to skip if your equipment wasn't the best that money could buy. So, they'd skip at home, but not in the shop!

MG

[BillF]

Is there a recommended maximum length for a CD? I have one which runs to 79:34, but slips in the last couple of minutes. This doesn't happen with any other of my CDs and this one was OK when I tried it in another player. (It's from a Stan Getz 3CD set on Verve: East of the Sun/The West Coast Sessions.)

[captainwrong]

Les Baxter - Que Mango - Alshire (stereo)

Great 1970 session done under the 101 Strings name. This album just exudes early 70s high life decadence.

Agreed. It is a good one.

[sidewinder]

Thelonious Monk 'Monk's Dream' and 'Straight, No Filter' (both Columbia 2-eye, stereo)

[kh1958]

Dave Brubeck--Jazz Goes to College (Columbia, six eyes, promo).

[Chalupa]

Is there a recommended maximum length for a CD? I have one which runs to 79:34, but slips in the last couple of minutes. This doesn't happen with any other of my CDs and this one was OK when I tried it in another player. (It's from a Stan Getz 3CD set on Verve: East of the Sun/The West Coast Sessions.)

Not that I know of. Have you tried playing the CD on another player?

[Chalupa]

Henry Threadgill Sextet - Rag, Brush, and All (Novus)

[porcy62]

Is there a recommended maximum length for a CD? I have one which runs to 79:34, but slips in the last couple of minutes. This doesn't happen with any other of my CDs and this one was OK when I tried it in another player. (It's from a Stan Getz 3CD set on Verve: East of the Sun/The West Coast Sessions.)

Not that I know of. Have you tried playing the CD on another player?

Did you read the post you quoted?

[Chalupa]

Is there a recommended maximum length for a CD? I have one which runs to 79:34, but slips in the last couple of minutes. This doesn't happen with any other of my CDs and this one was OK when I tried it in another player. (It's from a Stan Getz 3CD set on Verve: East of the Sun/The West Coast Sessions.)

Not that I know of. Have you tried playing the CD on another player?

Did you read the post you quoted?

Whoops I guess not. Ha ha.

[michel1969]

Thelonious Monk 'Monk's Dream' and 'Straight, No Filter' (both Columbia 2-eye, stereo)

You mean "Straight No Chaser" ? I have the same kind of "Hank Mobsession" these times.... :

[BillF]

Is there a recommended maximum length for a CD? I have one which runs to 79:34, but slips in the last couple of minutes. This doesn't happen with any other of my CDs and this one was OK when I tried it in another player. (It's from a Stan Getz 3CD set on Verve: East of the Sun/The West Coast Sessions.)

Not that I know of. Have you tried playing the CD on another player?

Did you read the post you quoted?

Whoops I guess not. Ha ha.

Just to take this off at another tangent (and I hope this is OK on the vinyl thread): what's the longest playing time you've come across on a CD?

[clifford_thornton]

Seriously? I had always heard that the max timing for one side of an LP was around 22-24 minutes give or take a few seconds. Any more time than that and the grooves would be too crammed together and the recording would sound like shit. Not sure where or when I heard that but obviously this is not the case. This album sounds fine to my ears. I'm guessing that the shorter timings had more to do w/ economic considerations than aural ones.

The vinyl of Stereolab's Emperor Tomato Ketchup is a single LP at over one hour. It sounds brilliant, and very dynamic.

Those BS/SN LPs I mentioned also sound fine, though the Dixon is within a very narrow sonic range both musically and balance-wise.

[sidewinder]

Thelonious Monk 'Monk's Dream' and 'Straight, No Filter' (both Columbia 2-eye, stereo)

You mean "Straight No Chaser" ? I have the same kind of "Hank Mobsession" these times.... :

Oh jeez - of course !

[Teasing the Korean]

It is worth noting that groove cramming was an issue for a long time. It was especially noticeable on the inner grooves of stereo LPs once you got to a side length of around 25 minutes or longer. I have some stereo LPs of classical symphonic works which have side lengths of around 30 minutes. The levels aren't as hot as they are on shorter sides, and overall they lack some depth and impact.

[clifford_thornton]

Cecil - Conquistador - (BN Liberty Stereo orig)

[sidewinder]

Peter Herboltzheimer 'Jazz Gala 77 - All Star Big Band' (Telefunken 2LPs). Johnny Griffin, Albert Mangelsdorff etc.

[porcy62]

It is worth noting that groove cramming was an issue for a long time. It was especially noticeable on the inner grooves of stereo LPs once you got to a side length of around 25 minutes or longer. I have some stereo LPs of classical symphonic works which have side lengths of around 30 minutes. The levels aren't as hot as they are on shorter sides, and overall they lack some depth and impact.

Yep. This is pretty true with my Mahler and Bruckner's symphonies, early pressings usually has splitted 'movement', later reissues tried to fit all in one side.

On Davis' Mosaic, they downsized the groove of 'Circle In The Round' in order to have the whole track on one side.

[clifford_thornton]

Shellac of North America - 1000 Hurts - (Touch & Go)

[Clunky]

Is there a recommended maximum length for a CD? I have one which runs to 79:34, but slips in the last couple of minutes. This doesn't happen with any other of my CDs and this one was OK when I tried it in another player. (It's from a Stan Getz 3CD set on Verve: East of the Sun/The West Coast Sessions.)

my copy of this disc does the same thing, returned it three times to shop before giving up, works ok on some cd players but not others, IIRC it's only some extra takes that are affected so I could live with it.

[BillF]

Is there a recommended maximum length for a CD? I have one which runs to 79:34, but slips in the last couple of minutes. This doesn't happen with any other of my CDs and this one was OK when I tried it in another player. (It's from a Stan Getz 3CD set on Verve: East of the Sun/The West Coast Sessions.)

my copy of this disc does the same thing, returned it three times to shop before giving up, works ok on some cd players but not others, IIRC it's only some extra takes that are affected so I could live with it.

Very interesting to hear that! Exactly my experience. Thanks for your response.

[porcy62]

Is there a recommended maximum length for a CD? I have one which runs to 79:34, but slips in the last couple of minutes. This doesn't happen with any other of my CDs and this one was OK when I tried it in another player. (It's from a Stan Getz 3CD set on Verve: East of the Sun/The West Coast Sessions.)

my copy of this disc does the same thing, returned it three times to shop before giving up, works ok on some cd players but not others, IIRC it's only some extra takes that are affected so I could live with it.

Very interesting to hear that! Exactly my experience. Thanks for your response.

A modest and obvious suggestion would be to split the cd in two cd-r.