What vinyl are you spinning right now??

[BillF]

The Individualism of Gil Evans (Verve twofer)

[BillF]

The Gil Evans Orchestra, Out of the Cool (Impulse)

[BillF]

Gil Evans, Svengali (Atlantic)

[porcy62]

Canned Heat - LIVE AT TOPANGA CORRAL - Wand

"This Album contains 46:37 Of Original Boogie Music!" on the back of the cover.

I swear on the Bible that it's true.

Edited February 7, 2008 by porcy62

[BillF]

Gil Evans, There Comes a Time (RCA)

[porcy62]

The Individualism of Gil Evans (Verve twofer)

I didn't know this one. I have "The Individualism of GE" on a Speakers Corner reissue, and it's a single LP, plus I have the cd with the bonus tracks.

What's on the twofer?

Edited February 7, 2008 by porcy62

[BillF]

The Individualism of Gil Evans (Verve twofer)

I didn't know this one. I have "The Individualism of GE" on a Speakers Corner reissue, and it's a single LP, plus I have the cd with the bonus tracks.

What's on the twofer?

Record 1: Side 1: 1 "The Barbara Song" 2 "Las Vegas Tango" Side 2: 1(a) "Flute Song" (b) "Hotel-Me" 2 "El Toreador"

Record 2: Side 1: 1 "Cheryl"("Blues in Orbit") 2 "Spoonful" Side 2: 1 "Concorde" 2 "The Underdog" ("Isabel") 3 "General Assembly"("Barracuda")

It looks like a British pressing of a Verve album. I bought it at the once-famous Dobell's jazz record shop in Charing Cross Road, London in the 1970s.

[BillF]

Gil Evans and the Monday Night Orchestra Live at Sweet Basil (Electric Bird double album)

[porcy62]

Thanks BillF,

I'll check it out with my stuff.

[porcy62]

BillF,

seems that my stuff lacks the following tracks:

1 "Cheryl"("Blues in Orbit") Side 2: 2 "The Underdog" ("Isabel") 3 "General Assembly"("Barracuda")

Assuming that "General Assembly"("Barracuda") is Time Of The Barracudas on the cd, may you provide some details about the other tracks?

[Chalupa]

Burton Greene - Aquariana (original issue)

Kenneth Terroade - Love Rejoice (Get Back 180 gram reissue)

Clifford Thornton - Ketchaoua (Get Back 180 gram reissue)

I know that the reissues are not made from the original tapes but to my ears the two reissues I listened to today sound better than the copy I have of Aquariana. There's all kind of surface noise and the high end tends to get distorted in places. It was bad enough that I rechecked the tracking angle/weight on my deck. I guess I need to obtain original copies of the Terroade and Thornton for a real comparison. Or maybe I just have a bum copy of Aquariana? The vinyl looks NM - no visible scratches, nothing that can be felt, very clean. Or maybe I just need to get a VPI cleaner?

[clifford_thornton]

I've had two or three copies of that one, and all were noisy pressings.

The Terroade and Thornton I seem to remember being fine; I got those sealed.

I don't know if Charly/Get Back de-click in remastering, but just by using better quality vinyl than BYG did, they have to be an improvement. I know that, for example, originals of Seasons were a pressing nightmare (mine has distortion all over side 5 as well as in parts of side 1), but the reissue sounds good.

[porcy62]

Usually the Get Back reissues are mastered from a digital copy of the master. I avoid them.

[alocispepraluger102]

[sidewinder]

The Individualism of Gil Evans (Verve twofer)

I didn't know this one. I have "The Individualism of GE" on a Speakers Corner reissue, and it's a single LP, plus I have the cd with the bonus tracks.

What's on the twofer?

Record 1: Side 1: 1 "The Barbara Song" 2 "Las Vegas Tango" Side 2: 1(a) "Flute Song" (b) "Hotel-Me" 2 "El Toreador"

Record 2: Side 1: 1 "Cheryl"("Blues in Orbit") 2 "Spoonful" Side 2: 1 "Concorde" 2 "The Underdog" ("Isabel") 3 "General Assembly"("Barracuda")

It looks like a British pressing of a Verve album. I bought it at the once-famous Dobell's jazz record shop in Charing Cross Road, London in the 1970s.

I also have that very UK Verve double album ! Bought in my case at Mole Jazz, Kings Cross. Dobells site on Charing Cross Road - now a takeaway (or something like it) I believe.

[porcy62]

The Individualism of Gil Evans (Verve twofer)

I didn't know this one. I have "The Individualism of GE" on a Speakers Corner reissue, and it's a single LP, plus I have the cd with the bonus tracks.

What's on the twofer?

Record 1: Side 1: 1 "The Barbara Song" 2 "Las Vegas Tango" Side 2: 1(a) "Flute Song" (b) "Hotel-Me" 2 "El Toreador"

Record 2: Side 1: 1 "Cheryl"("Blues in Orbit") 2 "Spoonful" Side 2: 1 "Concorde" 2 "The Underdog" ("Isabel") 3 "General Assembly"("Barracuda")

It looks like a British pressing of a Verve album. I bought it at the once-famous Dobell's jazz record shop in Charing Cross Road, London in the 1970s.

I also have that very UK Verve double album ! Bought in my case at Mole Jazz, Kings Cross. Dobells site on Charing Cross Road - now a takeaway (or something like it) I believe.

Ages ago I lived in London for a couple of years. In the rainy and cold winter I used to wasting my free time in places like these. Never bought anything. No money, no TT, I mean that I wasn't Oliver Twist, but I thought that I could spare several ££ of heating, sniffing between the shelves in a warm room, listening to good music.

Now spinning:

Thelonious Monk/Sonny Rollins Prestige 7075 50th NY label.

Edited February 7, 2008 by porcy62

[BillF]

BillF,

seems that my stuff lacks the following tracks:

1 "Cheryl"("Blues in Orbit") Side 2: 2 "The Underdog" ("Isabel") 3 "General Assembly"("Barracuda")

Assuming that "General Assembly"("Barracuda") is Time Of The Barracudas on the cd, may you provide some details about the other tracks?

"Cheryl" and "Underdog" are by a quartet whose personnel is given as Gil Evans (arranger/piano), Jimmy Knepper (trombone), "probably" Bob Cranshaw (bass) and "probably" Charlie Persip (drums). The recording date is given as c.1963-64.

My good friend, Brian Priestley (name dropping again!) says this in his learned sleeve note:

"The existence of two Gil Evans quartet pieces comes as something of a surprise. Jimmy Knepper, who played with Gil's working band of 1960, is recognizably the trombonist and, since the names of Cranshaw and Persip have been added to the collective personnel, there seems no reason to doubt that it is they on bass and drums. However, the track which was code-named 'Isabel' is actually a song by Al Cohn called 'The Underdog' (with words by Dave Frishberg, the composer of 'I'm Hip' and 'Peel Me a Grape') although Cohn's original instrumental version went under the name 'Ah Moore'. And, finally, what was issued in the States as 'Blues in Orbit' is not 'Blues in Orbit' but Charlie Parker's amazingly inventive line 'Cheryl'. It's fascinating to think of this as a reduction of a full orchestral Gil Evans arrangement, and indeed the bass-part after the opening theme and before the out-chorus makes it hard not to think in these terms. Is it taking guesswork too far to imagine this as a sketch for the album Gil was to have made for Verve featuring Bill Evans, but which was never recorded?"

Edited February 7, 2008 by BillF

[porcy62]

BillF,

seems that my stuff lacks the following tracks:

1 "Cheryl"("Blues in Orbit") Side 2: 2 "The Underdog" ("Isabel") 3 "General Assembly"("Barracuda")

Assuming that "General Assembly"("Barracuda") is Time Of The Barracudas on the cd, may you provide some details about the other tracks?

"Cheryl" and "Underdog" are by a quartet whose personnel is given as Gil Evans (arranger/piano), Jimmy Knepper (trombone), "probably" Bob Cranshaw (bass) and "probably" Charlie Persip (drums). The recording date is given as c.1963-64.

My good friend, Brian Priestley (name dropping again!) says this in his learned sleeve note:

"The existence of two Gil Evans quartet pieces comes as something of a surprise. Jimmy Knepper, who played with Gil's working band of 1960, is recognizably the trombonist and, since the names of Cranshaw and Persip have been added to the collective personnel, there seems no reason to doubt that it is they on bass and drums. However, the track which was code-named 'Isabel' is actually a song by Al Cohn called 'The Underdog' (with words by Dave Frishberg, the composer of 'I'm Hip' and 'Peel Me a Grape') although Cohn's original instrumental version went under the name 'Ah Moore'. And, finally, what was issued in the States as 'Blues in Orbit' is not 'Blues in Orbit' but Charlie Parker's amazingly inventive line 'Cheryl'. It's fascinating to think of this as a reduction of a full orchestral Gil Evans arrangement, and indeed the bass-part after the opening theme and before the out-chorus makes it hard not to think in these terms. Is it taking guesswork too far to imagine this as a sketch for the album Gil was to have made for Verve featuring Bill Evans, but which was never recorded?"

Thanks.

Sounds tasty, do you know if these tunes are available in some other form, a part the twofer?

[BillF]

The Individualism of Gil Evans (Verve twofer)

I didn't know this one. I have "The Individualism of GE" on a Speakers Corner reissue, and it's a single LP, plus I have the cd with the bonus tracks.

What's on the twofer?

Record 1: Side 1: 1 "The Barbara Song" 2 "Las Vegas Tango" Side 2: 1(a) "Flute Song" (b) "Hotel-Me" 2 "El Toreador"

Record 2: Side 1: 1 "Cheryl"("Blues in Orbit") 2 "Spoonful" Side 2: 1 "Concorde" 2 "The Underdog" ("Isabel") 3 "General Assembly"("Barracuda")

It looks like a British pressing of a Verve album. I bought it at the once-famous Dobell's jazz record shop in Charing Cross Road, London in the 1970s.

I also have that very UK Verve double album ! Bought in my case at Mole Jazz, Kings Cross. Dobells site on Charing Cross Road - now a takeaway (or something like it) I believe.

All this has got me drowning in a wave of nostalgia! The late Ed Dipple (one of Mole's three proprietors), Brian Priestley and I were all at Leeds University together in the sixties and of course united by jazz!

[sidewinder]

All this has got me drowning in a wave of nostalgia! The late Ed Dipple (one of Mole's three proprietors), Brian Priestley and I were all at Leeds University together in the sixties and of course united by jazz!

Amazing ! First bought an LP from Ed Dipple pre-Mole when he was doing mail order. I've still got one of his lists and it has a near-mint Fontana of Tubby Hayes 'Mexican Green' for £3. Brian Priestley I used to listen to every week on his excellent Capital Radio jazz radio show. He sure knows his Mingus !

[BillF]

All this has got me drowning in a wave of nostalgia! The late Ed Dipple (one of Mole's three proprietors), Brian Priestley and I were all at Leeds University together in the sixties and of course united by jazz!

Amazing ! First bought an LP from Ed Dipple pre-Mole when he was doing mail order. I've still got one of his lists and it has a near-mint Fontana of Tubby Hayes 'Mexican Green' for £3. Brian Priestley I used to listen to every week on his excellent Capital Radio jazz radio show. He sure knows his Mingus !

Speechless!

[sidewinder]

Speechless!

Unfortunately I didn't know who Tubby Hayes was when that list came out. I ended up buying a Miles Davis 'Green Haze' twofer from Ed for £2.99 ish. :rsly:

Edited February 7, 2008 by sidewinder

[porcy62]

There was a Ray's jazz shop in Charing Cross too, or it's the name of Dobells?

[sidewinder]

There was a Ray's jazz shop in Charing Cross too, or it's the name of Dobells?

Yep, Porcy - 'Ray's Jazz' is actually located within the Foyles Bookshop (big book store) on Charing Cross Road, just up from Leicester Square tube. Very nice place to visit - best capuccino stop in London, recommended. This store is run by the son of the former owner of 'Rays' which used to be on Shaftesbuty Avenue until the mid-90s. 'Dobell's' used to be at a site on the opposite side of the road to Foyles but closed back in the early 80s at the time of the major recession. A legendary haunt of visisting US players apparently and Doug Dobell the owner used to dabble in vinyl with the '77' record label. He also did a Joe Harriott release for Melodisc.

[BillF]

There was a Ray's jazz shop in Charing Cross too, or it's the name of Dobells?

Ray's and Dobell's were separate outfits, Ray's being in Covent Garden. Ray's survives to this day, now located inside Foyle's bookshop in Charing Cross Road.