sidewinder Posted February 27, 2007 Report Posted February 27, 2007 (edited) So you're spinning the original Turtle? Nice... I've got the Turtle of the Osborne (that one and the John Taylor 'Pause and Think Again'). The 'Outback' by the way did come out on CD (FMP?) - not sure if it's still in print. Edited February 27, 2007 by sidewinder Quote
sidewinder Posted February 27, 2007 Report Posted February 27, 2007 Honestly, I don't think I've ever even seen an Ogun LP anywhere in either LA or the Bay Area. Technically not for this thread, but--well, then again... Even back in the day I don't think Ogun LPs were distributed that widely - even in the UK only the jazz specialists like Mole stocked them. Quote
sidewinder Posted February 27, 2007 Report Posted February 27, 2007 Bill Barron/Ted Curson 'Now Hear This !' (Audio Fidelity) Quote
clifford_thornton Posted February 27, 2007 Report Posted February 27, 2007 Inspired by another thread: Patty Waters - College Tour - (ESP orig) Quote
ep1str0phy Posted February 27, 2007 Report Posted February 27, 2007 So you're spinning the original Turtle? Nice... I've got the Turtle of the Osborne (that one and the John Taylor 'Pause and Think Again'). The 'Outback' by the way did come out on CD (FMP?) - not sure if it's still in print. Both Outback and Shapes are still available, although I'm not sure if they're in print (my CD issue of Outback is a pretty good sounding master with a pretty shodding packaging job--listed under the "FMR Legacy" imprint). Quote
sidewinder Posted February 27, 2007 Report Posted February 27, 2007 (edited) Ah yes, FMR - that's the one. Why do I always think of it as 'FMP'? Nice CD re-master - as you say the packaging could have been better (including getting the cover art in focus !) Edited February 27, 2007 by sidewinder Quote
clifford_thornton Posted February 27, 2007 Report Posted February 27, 2007 So you're spinning the original Turtle? Nice... I've got the Turtle of the Osborne (that one and the John Taylor 'Pause and Think Again'). The 'Outback' by the way did come out on CD (FMP?) - not sure if it's still in print. FMR did bootlegs of those Turtle sessions. They're interesting, though I'm not sure I'd say anything watershed occurs on them. Not for me, anyway. The Howard Riley is pretty cool, though. Quote
sidewinder Posted February 27, 2007 Report Posted February 27, 2007 I recall that Turtle itself had a somewhat interesting history and was very short lived. A spin off by producer Pete Eden after leaving Deram (and right at the runt end of the 1960s British jazz 'boom' when things started to go pear-shaped financially). They were produced in very limited numbers with limited distribution and (naturally) sold poorly in the UK. I suspect there were probably more copies distributed to Continental Europe. Quote
brownie Posted February 27, 2007 Report Posted February 27, 2007 George Russell 'Jazz in the Space Age' (Decca, stereo) Quote
brownie Posted February 27, 2007 Report Posted February 27, 2007 Vic Dickenson 'Showcase, vol. 2' (Vanguard, mono) with Ruby Braff, Shad Collins, Edmond Hall, Walter Page, Jo Jones, etc... Quote
jbs-tom Posted February 27, 2007 Report Posted February 27, 2007 lee morgan, vol. 3, bn united artists mono Quote
michel1969 Posted February 27, 2007 Report Posted February 27, 2007 Lesette Wilson "Now that i've got your attention" Funky and brillant ! Quote
michel1969 Posted February 27, 2007 Report Posted February 27, 2007 And now : Billy Cobham "Spectrum" (Atlantic) Ahem... Tommy Bolin was a jazzman, right ? Quote
clifford_thornton Posted February 27, 2007 Report Posted February 27, 2007 I recall that Turtle itself had a somewhat interesting history and was very short lived. A spin off by producer Pete Eden after leaving Deram (and right at the runt end of the 1960s British jazz 'boom' when things started to go pear-shaped financially). They were produced in very limited numbers with limited distribution and (naturally) sold poorly in the UK. I suspect there were probably more copies distributed to Continental Europe. Very interesting. Thanks. Your comment about Ogun being a poor-selling endeavour is curious, too - though I guess they were pressed in larger numbers and sold elsewhere in Europe, and also in the States. I haven't had much trouble finding original Ogun LPs, but the only Turtle vinyl I've seen was at a friend's house, who got three of them for VERY cheap... Quote
sidewinder Posted February 27, 2007 Report Posted February 27, 2007 (edited) I recall that Turtle itself had a somewhat interesting history and was very short lived. A spin off by producer Pete Eden after leaving Deram (and right at the runt end of the 1960s British jazz 'boom' when things started to go pear-shaped financially). They were produced in very limited numbers with limited distribution and (naturally) sold poorly in the UK. I suspect there were probably more copies distributed to Continental Europe. Very interesting. Thanks. Your comment about Ogun being a poor-selling endeavour is curious, too - though I guess they were pressed in larger numbers and sold elsewhere in Europe, and also in the States. I haven't had much trouble finding original Ogun LPs, but the only Turtle vinyl I've seen was at a friend's house, who got three of them for VERY cheap... The Ogun's were definitely pressed in much larger quantities than the Turtles. Your friend was very lucky - all are scarce but the Taylor 'Pause and Think Again' is a real pig to get hold of (and is an absolute beauty IMO). "Big in Japan". Edited February 27, 2007 by sidewinder Quote
michel1969 Posted February 27, 2007 Report Posted February 27, 2007 The Ogun label history. If you read french... There are some links, too. Quote
ep1str0phy Posted February 27, 2007 Report Posted February 27, 2007 So you're spinning the original Turtle? Nice... I've got the Turtle of the Osborne (that one and the John Taylor 'Pause and Think Again'). The 'Outback' by the way did come out on CD (FMP?) - not sure if it's still in print. FMR did bootlegs of those Turtle sessions. They're interesting, though I'm not sure I'd say anything watershed occurs on them. Not for me, anyway. The Howard Riley is pretty cool, though. Is bootleg really the proper terminology here? I was always always under the impression that they at least got Osborne's permission... (and so I'm still, on some level, smarting at the sheer volume of bootlegs/sordid releases coming out of the UK/SA jazz reissue axis) Quote
ep1str0phy Posted February 27, 2007 Report Posted February 27, 2007 http://nopunctum.blogspot.com/search?q=Ogun+Records This seemingly defunct blog has a pretty nice overview of the Ogun catalog, including the numerous OOP pieces. Quote
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted February 27, 2007 Report Posted February 27, 2007 Houston Person - The nearness of you - Muse orig John Coltrane - Coltrane plays the blues - Atlantic, '80s pressing Joe Henderson - Canyon lady - Milestone orig MG Quote
Shannon Dickey Posted February 27, 2007 Report Posted February 27, 2007 Sabir Mateen/Daniel Carter/David Nuss "Tenor Rising, Drums Expanding" on the Sound at One label. A mighty goof, natural squared! DIG! Quote
Teasing the Korean Posted February 28, 2007 Report Posted February 28, 2007 Milt Jackson - Vibrations - Atlantic Stereo Dig the tunes with the wordless vocals! They sound like they're from a French soundtrack! Quote
clifford_thornton Posted February 28, 2007 Report Posted February 28, 2007 So you're spinning the original Turtle? Nice... I've got the Turtle of the Osborne (that one and the John Taylor 'Pause and Think Again'). The 'Outback' by the way did come out on CD (FMP?) - not sure if it's still in print. FMR did bootlegs of those Turtle sessions. They're interesting, though I'm not sure I'd say anything watershed occurs on them. Not for me, anyway. The Howard Riley is pretty cool, though. Is bootleg really the proper terminology here? I was always always under the impression that they at least got Osborne's permission... (and so I'm still, on some level, smarting at the sheer volume of bootlegs/sordid releases coming out of the UK/SA jazz reissue axis) Well, Osborne being under longtime care for mental illness(es), the thought of him giving permission is kind of surprising. I was told that the Turtle reissues were unauthorized (by a reliable source), but I'd be pleased to hear something different and more reliable. Quote
ep1str0phy Posted February 28, 2007 Report Posted February 28, 2007 I hadn't heard about it, and other sources (like Penguin, for example) don't seem to have picked up on it. I'd think that there'd be cooperation from someone (e.g., someone with access to tapes), granted the fact that Shapes contains previously unreleased material. Too bad, as the situation with at least pseudo-legitimate labels reissuing without permission only compounds the royalty hazards ingrained in the CDR trade (e.g., with DMG). Quote
GA Russell Posted February 28, 2007 Report Posted February 28, 2007 Four Freshmen and Five Saxes (Pausa) Miles Davis - Friday Night at the Blackhawk, vol. 1 (Columbia) Soft Machine - Seven (Columbia) 1973 Soft Machine - Fourth (Columbia) 1971 Mose Allison - Western Man (Atlantic) 1971 Quote
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