mjazzg Posted July 7, 2021 Report Share Posted July 7, 2021 49 minutes ago, Dub Modal said: I think Strut was going for the kitsch factor on their vinyl release of this album. I don't know of many (if any) Sun Ra reissues that don't have digital steps in the vinyl pressing process, so they're never going to be AAA. Spot on. Strut realised that 'Lanquidity' could be more easily sold beyond Sun Ra fans than others of his titles, went for an over the top packaging and marketed it accordingly. They have never been an audiophile label as far as I can tell so not sure why anyone expects them to start now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabshakeh Posted July 7, 2021 Report Share Posted July 7, 2021 Languidity is one of those jazz records that seems to have an extraordinarily inflated amount of cultural capital attached to it. I have had two irl conversations in the last week with very enthusiastic fans for whom Languidity was at the centre of their jazz listening (along with Journey by Alice C and Karma by Pharaoh Sanders). I think it lends itself to lavish vinyl represses that capitalise on its status. Hence why I've stayed away from this one so far. But I'm still interested to hear what people are saying. 4 minutes ago, mjazzg said: Spot on. Strut realised that 'Lanquidity' could be more easily sold beyond Sun Ra fans than others of his titles, went for an over the top packaging and marketed it accordingly. They have never been an audiophile label as far as I can tell so not sure why anyone expects them to start now. Ha ha. Snap. That's putting what I was trying to say far more eloquently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dub Modal Posted July 7, 2021 Report Share Posted July 7, 2021 13 minutes ago, Rabshakeh said: Languidity was at the centre of their jazz listening (along with Journey by Alice C and Karma by Pharaoh Sanders). Not a terrible centre to have, btw. I've rec'd Lanquidity to a friend who found it too bizarre, which surprised me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabshakeh Posted July 7, 2021 Report Share Posted July 7, 2021 Just now, Dub Modal said: Not a terrible centre to have, btw. I've rec'd Lanquidity to a friend who found it too bizarre, which surprised me. What surprised me was that one was with a record shop guy. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate enthusiasm, but I prefer my record shop staff cold, cynical and unimpressed with everything I do or think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dub Modal Posted July 7, 2021 Report Share Posted July 7, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Rabshakeh said: What surprised me was that one was with a record shop guy. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate enthusiasm, but I prefer my record shop staff cold, cynical and unimpressed with everything I do or think. I hear you. Maybe he's new to the biz and his soul hasn't been crushed just yet? Edited July 7, 2021 by Dub Modal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabshakeh Posted July 7, 2021 Report Share Posted July 7, 2021 Ha ha. He won't last long. There does seem to be something happening in the music world at the moment, in which "spiritual jazz" (as I think these records are billed) is now very cool. I have read a few opinions on social media, mostly off the back of that Pharaoh Sanders / Floating Points record, that are raging about the supposed "gentrification" of free jazz, but I personally think it's fine - more interest means more reissues, and it's not like its leading to a scarcity of Arthur Doyle records or anything. Suddenly DJ friends, one record shop guy and my 17 year old nephew are all about this music, and I think that's great. Reel 'em in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjazzg Posted July 7, 2021 Report Share Posted July 7, 2021 1 hour ago, Rabshakeh said: What surprised me was that one was with a record shop guy. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate enthusiasm, but I prefer my record shop staff cold, cynical and unimpressed with everything I do or think. Back to the good old days of Mole Jazz... 1 hour ago, Dub Modal said: I hear you. Maybe he's new to the biz and his soul hasn't been crushed just yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjazzg Posted July 7, 2021 Report Share Posted July 7, 2021 Just on the Bandcamp page for 'Lanquudity' and noticed this review/comment "pure freeform vibes" which to my mind just about sums up the our discussion about its currency Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted July 7, 2021 Report Share Posted July 7, 2021 On 4/20/2021 at 7:07 PM, HutchFan said: From what I can gather, it was Flora and Airto hooking Brazilian jazz musicians up with Milestone. Presumably since Flora already had a relationship with the label. Plus, I'm sure that Airto's and Flora's success in the U.S. market inspired many Brazilian jazz musicians to come north to the U.S. Think about it: Opa (mostly guys from Airto's "Fingers" band; although they were mostly from Uruguay, not Brazil). Azymuth (and the solo records by Azymuth band members: Jose Roberto Bertrami, Ivan Conti & Alex Malheiros). Claudio Roditi. Some really good musicians there. I don't think Keepnews had anything to do with these later Brazilian records, post-Flora. The LPs by musician I've listed above were not licensing deals -- but Milestone did license some guitar records by Baden Powell and Túlio Mourão (and maybe some others) from indie Brazilian labels. And the Roberthino Silva record with Wayne was licensed from CBS Brazil. I suppose that's how Silva got Wayne to play on the one cut. Viva Brasil, bebê! By the way, I think there's a book waiting to be written on the interaction between Brazilian music and jazz, beginning with Airto and Flora (circa 1970 or so) and up 'til the present. The whole bossa thing has been covered. I'm not talking about that. Here's why I think a book makes sense: I believe you could easily make an argument that Airto's and Flora's impact on jazz has been WAY overlooked. Think about it: Aside from Airto, NO ONE ELSE performed with Miles, Weather Report, AND Return to Forever. And, while Airto & Flora's impact may have waned a bit in the second half of the 70s, they again began exerting influence as Brazilian/jazz fusion(s) became a thing again in the 1980s. Along with the stuff above, think about the impact of George Duke's Brazilian Love Affair. Airto and Flora were right there, and that launched even more Brazilian Jazz fusions. ... So I think there's an interesting book in there somewhere, even though no one has picked up on it yet. https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5cb134e6b2cf790d711e7a92/t/5cb18f299b747a58e89ecaf1/1555140396677/JI_interview.pdf Terri Hinte! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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kh1958 Posted July 9, 2021 Report Share Posted July 9, 2021 Wilbur DeParis, Over and Over Again (Atlantic) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjazzg Posted July 10, 2021 Report Share Posted July 10, 2021 Pan Afrikan peoples Arkestra - Live At Century City Playhouse [Nimbus West] preceded by Damon Locks Black Monument Ensemble - Now [International Anthem] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Brad Posted July 11, 2021 Report Share Posted July 11, 2021 (edited) Bought the Gems of Jazz years ago from the Jazz Record Center in NY. Not sure I ever listened to it. Edited July 11, 2021 by Brad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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HutchFan Posted July 12, 2021 Report Share Posted July 12, 2021 Now spinning on my 'table: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corto maltese Posted July 12, 2021 Report Share Posted July 12, 2021 10 hours ago, HutchFan said: Now spinning on my 'table: This one and (even more so) "Concepts In Unity" are perennial favourites. Superb stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HutchFan Posted July 13, 2021 Report Share Posted July 13, 2021 Spinning this LP again tonight: OH yeah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HutchFan Posted July 13, 2021 Report Share Posted July 13, 2021 Now: This sounds better than I remember it being. ... Funny how that happens. The music doesn't change. We do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dub Modal Posted July 13, 2021 Report Share Posted July 13, 2021 12 hours ago, HutchFan said: Now: This sounds better than I remember it being. ... Funny how that happens. The music doesn't change. We do. Excellent album Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjazzg Posted July 13, 2021 Report Share Posted July 13, 2021 12 hours ago, HutchFan said: Now: This sounds better than I remember it being. ... Funny how that happens. The music doesn't change. We do. I need to relisten then too. I remember being underwhelmed at the time it was released. I had seen a storming gig of theirs at Ronnies so maybe the album suffered in comparison. Today's been a Yusef Lateef and Paul Horn day here Mono, 1966 Stereo 1964 not the 1957 issue sadly but 1985 Mono, 1978 compilation Mono, 1960 Beware the Jazz bagpipes... and currently maybe some Brotzmann next... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HutchFan Posted July 13, 2021 Report Share Posted July 13, 2021 NP: Irakere - El Coco (JVC/Milestone, 1982) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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