What vinyl are you spinning right now??

[HutchFan]

[HutchFan]

[HutchFan]

More Michel Petrucciani:

[soulpope]

2 hours ago, HutchFan said:

More Michel Petrucciani:

Good one ....

[jazzcorner]

Edited February 15, 2021 by jazzcorner
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[mikeweil]

[jlhoots]

On 12/21/2020 at 1:42 PM, mjazzg said:

Binker & Moses - Escape The Flames [Gearbox]

another winner from this duo

Is this vinyl only, no CD??

[mjazzg]

1 hour ago, jlhoots said:

Is this vinyl only, no CD??

Download available, no CD.  It's worth getting

On 15/02/2021 at 1:32 AM, HutchFan said:

What did you make of it?

I remember buying and being very excited, not least as it was difficult to get over here at the time and it was a dream line-up for me in my earlier Jazz listening years..  I listened to it again a few months ago for the first time in years and thought it sounded of its time but good of its time

[Kevin Bresnahan]

On 2/15/2021 at 8:32 PM, HutchFan said:

I remember thinking this sounded like the Love Boat Theme band with a better drummer.

 

[HutchFan]

43 minutes ago, mjazzg said:

What did you make of it?

I remember buying and being very excited, not least as it was difficult to get over here at the time and it was a dream line-up for me in my earlier Jazz listening years..  I listened to it again a few months ago for the first time in years and thought it sounded of its time but good of its time

I like Audio Visualscapes very much.  It is, as you say, "of its time but good of its time." 

Also, I like that DeJohnette was trying to stretch boundaries.  It seems like a lot of jazz -- especially jazz from the 1980s -- observes an unwritten rule that its got to be "acoustic" to be legit.  Perhaps during the 80s this stance was in reaction to the widely-held perception that jazz in the 70s was dominated electric instruments & unswinging fusion. 

Of course, I don't buy that narrative (on many levels) -- and it appears that DeJohnette didn't either.   

 

[kh1958]

52 minutes ago, HutchFan said:

I like Audio Visualscapes very much.  It is, as you say, "of its time but good of its time." 

Also, I like that DeJohnette was trying to stretch boundaries.  It seems like a lot of jazz -- especially jazz from the 1980s -- observes an unwritten rule that its got to be "acoustic" to be legit.  Perhaps during the 80s this stance was in reaction to the widely-held perception that jazz in the 70s was dominated electric instruments & unswinging fusion. 

Of course, I don't buy that narrative (on many levels) -- and it appears that DeJohnette didn't either.   

 

Saw the group live about the time that album came out; real good.

[JSngry]

1 hour ago, HutchFan said:

I like Audio Visualscapes very much.  It is, as you say, "of its time but good of its time." 

Also, I like that DeJohnette was trying to stretch boundaries.  It seems like a lot of jazz -- especially jazz from the 1980s -- observes an unwritten rule that its got to be "acoustic" to be legit.  Perhaps during the 80s this stance was in reaction to the widely-held perception that jazz in the 70s was dominated electric instruments & unswinging fusion. 

Of course, I don't buy that narrative (on many levels) -- and it appears that DeJohnette didn't either.   

 

Just curious... 'Harmolodics" did not make the '70s list. Would "M-Base"   make the '80s list at all?

[HutchFan]

Just now, JSngry said:

Just curious... 'Harmolodics" did not make the '70s list. Would "M-Base"   make the '80s list at all?

M-base will definitely be on my 80s list.

Of course, there's a relationship between Harmolodics and M-Base -- but they're also different.  To my ears, M-base seems like an 80s version of Soul Jazz.  It's jazz-meets-popular Black American music of the day.  By the 1980s, that meant Rap and a new sort of angular funk -- but it still seems like M-Base had deep roots in James Brown (just like Rap did and does). 

I've never felt that with Ornette's music -- Dancing in Your Head or Virgin Beauty.  I just don't "get" that stuff.  Not that there isn't something there.  It just doesn't register with me.

[JSngry]

Did you skip Body Meta?

https://youtu.be/0QkY_E2HRWM

 

[HutchFan]

5 minutes ago, JSngry said:

Did you skip Body Meta?

https://youtu.be/0QkY_E2HRWM

No, I like that OK.  And I sorta like the Prime Time cuts on In All Languages.  I was just listening to that the other day. 

But it isn't a natural affinity.  I'm missing out on a groove that others can hear.

On the other hand, the M-Base stuff is practically home cookin' in comparison -- even at its most angular and math-nerdy.

 

[chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez]

well this just shows you how destoryed an acetate can get this if from 1982 mine is 6 years earlier but look at this one, this is what can happen if not protected, oh man

 

 

 

 

 

[clifford_thornton]

Coleman (Steve) worked with Doug Hammond a bunch and I wonder how Doug and that whole scene fit into M-Base. Never really got into the latter for various reasons but the Doug Hammond albums on Idibib (and Tribe) are super. 

10 hours ago, chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez said:

well this just shows you how destoryed an acetate can get this if from 1982 mine is 6 years earlier but look at this one, this is what can happen if not protected, oh man

 

 

 

 

 

ooh Lasha acetate, nice! Had many phone conversations with him over the years, and he was/is an amazing person. 

[mjazzg]

I've certainly read Steve Coleman talking about the influence of Hammond on his music, not inconsiderable if I remember correctly

[clifford_thornton]

yeah, would certainly make sense. I try not to read too much of Steve Coleman talking but he's good on those records for sure.

[Brad]

Analogue Productions 45. 

[Rabshakeh]

22 hours ago, HutchFan said:

Of course, there's a relationship between Harmolodics and M-Base -- but they're also different.  

Did Steve Coleman etc. ever openly discuss the link between the M Base concepts and Ornette Coleman's harmolodic funk period? I wasn't alive / able to pay attention at the time when it all was happening, but it had never really occured to me that there was a link. 

[JSngry]

16 minutes ago, Rabshakeh said:

Did Steve Coleman etc. ever discuss the link between the M Base concepts and Ornette Coleman's harmolodic funk period? I wasn't alive / paying attention at the time when it all happened, but it had never really occured to me that there was a link. 

Not really a link as in direct influence but, definitely a continuation of the path of electric funk that Miles & Ornette began that then kind of evolved into the No Wave/Blood Ulmer scene. So when M-Base picked up, it really didn't seem a radical thought, it just seemed like a continuation of the same way that things were already developing.

I was very much NOT surprised that it happened, just pleasantly surprised at the direction it took. Although, to be honest, it took quite a while for Coleman's music (and I say Coleman because of that original crew of originators, he was the only one to really stay the course with it) to get locked into an organic pocket. Ornette never had that problem, regardless of what he was playing or who he was playing with. Ornette was synonymous with organic!

[Rabshakeh]

Thanks. That's helpful. Things always seem different when you learn about them as history. 

Funny that the one page the board doesn't have is an M Base discussion area. 

[HutchFan]

22 minutes ago, JSngry said:

Not really a link as in direct influence but, definitely a continuation of the path of electric funk that Miles & Ornette began that then kind of evolved into the No Wave/Blood Ulmer scene. So when M-Base picked up, it really didn't seem a radical thought, it just seemed like a continuation of the same way that things were already developing.

I was very much NOT surprised that it happened, just pleasantly surprised at the direction it took. Although, to be honest, it took quite a while for Coleman's music (and I say Coleman because of that original crew of originators, he was the only one to really stay the course with it) to get locked into an organic pocket. Ornette never had that problem, regardless of what he was playing or who he was playing with. Ornette was synonymous with organic!

Agreed.

Preceding both Miles and Ornette, however, was James Brown.   From my point of view, Brown's late-60s and early-70s "new" Funk is the wellspring of all these Avant-Funk experiments -- whether it's Ornette or Miles in the 70s, M-Base, or Rap.  To me, that's the connection.

Not sure whether Steve Coleman ever said that.  I'm just using my ears.  

 

Edited February 19, 2021 by HutchFan

[JSngry]

1 minute ago, Rabshakeh said:

Thanks. That's helpful. Things always seem different when you learn about them as history. 

Funny that the one page the board doesn't have is an M Base discussion area. 

Remember - "history" has the luxury of having already happened. And of being written by the winners