What vinyl are you spinning right now??

[porcy62]

I admit I have a thing for Lloyd' ECM records, all of them.

Edited October 6, 2019 by porcy62

[sidewinder]

[jcam_44]

 

Christopher Hollyday - Reverence 

followed it with:

 

Christopher Hollyday - Treaty

Edited October 6, 2019 by jcam_44

[jcam_44]

 

Doug Duke - The Jazz Organist

a random purchase years ago, nothing spectacular but enjoyable none the less. 

[Gheorghe]

15 hours ago, Pim said:

 

Stunning music....

I´m sure it is. It´s too bad those Denon Albums are so hard to find. I have just one of them, Max Roach in Amsterdam. 

Is this also from around 1977,78 and has Cecil Bridgewater, Billie Harper and Reggie Workman? 

And is this the records, were they also Play a stunning Version of Round Midnight. 

I think, Denon was quite a label for advanced modern jazzmen during that time. I think they also did some Albums with Archie Shepp. 

[Pim]

1 hour ago, Gheorghe said:

I´m sure it is. It´s too bad those Denon Albums are so hard to find. I have just one of them, Max Roach in Amsterdam. 

Is this also from around 1977,78 and has Cecil Bridgewater, Billie Harper and Reggie Workman? 

And is this the records, were they also Play a stunning Version of Round Midnight. 

I think, Denon was quite a label for advanced modern jazzmen during that time. I think they also did some Albums with Archie Shepp. 

Yes it is indeed that all star group with the Uptempo version of Round Midnight. The interaction within the group is just stunning. I also can’t believe this music hasn’t been issued more. Ordered my copies for about 50 dollars incl shipping from Japan. I like these two even better than The Loadstar as the sound quality is way better.

[soulpope]

1 hour ago, Pim said:

Yes it is indeed that all star group with the Uptempo version of Round Midnight. The interaction within the group is just stunning. I also can’t believe this music hasn’t been issued more. Ordered my copies for about 50 dollars incl shipping from Japan. I like these two even better than The Loadstar as the sound quality is way better.

Yes the live recordings are even more exciting than the HORO studio date (although still excellent) .... there was a video (which comes up now and then on Youtube) of an live gig @ Italian Jazz Club recorded around the time if the HORO session (feat a 20+ minutes version of "Nommo" and an miraculous bass solo by Reggie Workman)) mirroring all this group`s qualities .... 

[Pim]

3 hours ago, Gheorghe said:

I´m sure it is. It´s too bad those Denon Albums are so hard to find. I have just one of them, Max Roach in Amsterdam. 

Is this also from around 1977,78 and has Cecil Bridgewater, Billie Harper and Reggie Workman? 

And is this the records, were they also Play a stunning Version of Round Midnight. 

I think, Denon was quite a label for advanced modern jazzmen during that time. I think they also did some Albums with Archie Shep

32 minutes ago, soulpope said:

Yes the live recordings are even more exciting than the HORO studio date (although still excellent) .... there was a video (which comes up now and then on Youtube) of an live gig @ Italian Jazz Club recorded around the time if the HORO session (feat a 20+ minutes version of "Nommo" and an miraculous bass solo by Reggie Workman)) mirroring all this group`s qualities .... 

That sound awesome!

[Gheorghe]

1 hour ago, soulpope said:

Yes the live recordings are even more exciting than the HORO studio date (although still excellent) .... there was a video (which comes up now and then on Youtube) of an live gig @ Italian Jazz Club recorded around the time if the HORO session (feat a 20+ minutes version of "Nommo" and an miraculous bass solo by Reggie Workman)) mirroring all this group`s qualities .... 

Maybe you also saw them live in September 1978 at the legendary Kongress-Haus. Then, in May 1979 it was the Archie Shepp Quinted with Siegfried Kessler, Bob Cunningham and Clifford Jarvis, so it seems they had some "Denon-Artists" booked, since Shepp also had a batch of records on Denon...….

[kh1958]

Dexter Gordon, Homecoming (Columbia) 

Joe Henderson, The State of the Tenor, volume 2 (Blue Note Tone Poet). This pressing sounds amazing.

Edited October 7, 2019 by kh1958

[JSngry]

Max Roach in Amsterdam was on Baystate, correct?

That's another amazing body of work, his Baystate output. Between Denon & Baystate, Max Roach and Max Roach-assocated records tell a story that has yet to be fully heard by the general market.

[soulpope]

12 minutes ago, JSngry said:

Max Roach in Amsterdam was on Baystate, correct?

Baystate RVJ-6029 ....

[HutchFan]

2 hours ago, JSngry said:

Max Roach in Amsterdam was on Baystate, correct?

That's another amazing body of work, his Baystate output. Between Denon & Baystate, Max Roach and Max Roach-assocated records tell a story that has yet to be fully heard by the general market.

Another below-radar release by this same quartet: Confirmation, released on the Fluid label in France.  Recorded 1978.  Discogs entry here.

Subsequently, Billy Harper left Roach's Quartet and was replaced with Odean Pope.  (I love Harper, but I think Pope is a superb tenorist too.)  Roach then started making record for Soul Note. (The first of these is the excellent and also under-appreciated Pictures in a Frame.)  I suppose Roach's series of Soul Notes are more well known than the LPs Horo, Denon, Baystate and Fluid.  But only just! 

At some point, Columbia gave Roach a shot. (FINALLY, a "major"!)  I think he made two records for them.  Chattahoochee Red is EXCELLENT, but it seemingly vanished without a trace. (Not surprisingly, Sony has never reissued it.)  The other LP was made with Roach's percussion ensemble, M'boom, not the quartet.

Missed opportunities right and left.  

Edited October 7, 2019 by HutchFan

[JSngry]

Look at these Max records on Baystate: https://www.discogs.com/search/?q=max+roach+baystate&type=all

Billy Harper had one: https://www.discogs.com/search/?q=billy+harper+baystate&type=all

Another Max/Billy from Japan: https://www.discogs.com/Max-Roach-Quartet-Nommo/release/1919200

Of course, Billy on Denon (there were three, actually, a fact which had eluded me until not that many years ago, Love On The Sudan was not in the shops here like the two later ones were, I guess because it wasn't PCM'ed)

Just saying, that whole Max/Billy band left a legacy, if not in breadth or repertoire, then definitely in intensity of performances. One of the strongest bands Max ever had, imo, even with Cecil Bridgewater not really being anything scorching himself. He didn't need to ba. Although, imagining that band with Hannibal in the trumpet chair...oh well about that.

And still - no representation in the general marketplace, which is a crime of sorts, really, so distorting of history that absence is. The Soul Note records were different types of records, quite by intent. I DID see Max's band (at Carnegie Hall, of all places) shortly after Odean joined, and it was quite intense. But Max apparently decided not to make records like that any more, after Billy left, something about making them more "listener friendly" by having shorter tracks and more tunes per record. Whatever...

I wish somebody would do a legit set of this part of Max's career. Most people still don't know, and time's a'-wastin'.

 

26 minutes ago, HutchFan said:

At some point, Columbia gave Roach a shot. (FINALLY, a "major"!)  I think he made two records for them.  Chattahoochee Red is EXCELLENT, but it seemingly vanished without a trace. (Not surprisingly, Sony has never reissued it.) 

Chattahoochie Red (how many people today would even know what that title was about?) was a thing that Max leased to Columbia because of his friendship/trust/respect/whatever of/with Bruce Lundvall. Columbia also reissued We Insist on the same type deal, a lease. And Max kept an association with Lundvall as he moved to Electra/Musician, and then to Blue Note.

Apparently, Max could be "difficult" to do business with. Oh well about that too. The records still got made. Now they need to be saved, if only so they don't get forgotten completely.

[soulpope]

6 minutes ago, JSngry said:

Another Max/Billy from Japan: https://www.discogs.com/Max-Roach-Quartet-Nommo/release/1919200

Superb platter ....

[HutchFan]

7 minutes ago, JSngry said:

Apparently, Max could be "difficult" to do business with. Oh well about that too. The records still got made. Now they need to be saved, if only so they don't get forgotten completely.

I know that I'd buy a Denon/Baystate Roach set in a heartbeat if someone like Mosaic did their thing. Do you think there'd be any market for it?

I know that that more contemporary (i.e., post 1960s) stuff doesn't necessarily sell as well as the older stuff.  Or at least they haven't concentrated on it as much.

But it's not like we're talking about an obscure guy from some far-off corner of the jazz world. It's MAX ROACH for god's sake.

[JSngry]

1 minute ago, HutchFan said:

 It's MAX ROACH for god's sake.

Exactly.

And for the truth(s) of Max Roach to be distorted is to distort the truth(s) of jazz.

Not that anybody's ever gone broke doing that...

[kh1958]

I've never heard (nor seen) any of these Max Roach with Billy Harper records.

The two main memories of my one time seeing Max Roach in person (with Odean Pope, Tyrone Brown and Cecil Bridgewater) are of Max playing a solo history of jazz drums piece, and a nearly hour long version of Scott Free that was devastating.

[HutchFan]

48 minutes ago, kh1958 said:

I've never heard (nor seen) any of these Max Roach with Billy Harper records.

Here's Live in Tokyo, Vols. 1 & 2 on YT: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyHn3f7-9IUIUnMFVjF5HIkLd11FvuxPE

Max Roach - drums
Billy Harper - ts
Cecil Bridgewater - tpt
Reggie Workman - bass

Rec.Yubin Chokin Hall, Tokyo, Japan, 21/01/1977
Denon C38-7006

Currently, not available anywhere -- even as a download!

Unless you pay $50 each for the two LPs, like Pim did.  

Edited October 7, 2019 by HutchFan

[Gheorghe]

I think I have all or nearly all Soul Note Albums, but it´s really a shame that the band with Billy Harper was recorded only for quite shortlived labels. I say, Max Roach is one of the most important musicians from the generation that created "modern jazz". How many Bird, Bud, Diz, Mingus CD´s are available, and how little of Max Roach´s work is available. I didn´t know Max Roach was difficult to deal with. On stage I always had the impression he was very very articulate, very gentleman-like and very nice to the audience, that´s how I remember him on stage. 

About the "second" quartet , I mean when Harper and Workman were replaced by Odean Pope and Calvin Hill, well I also enjoyed that but I didn´t like Odean Pope´s Sound so much as I liked Billy Harper. And Maybe Calvin Hill used another bass amp, but his bass sound was not the same like Reggie Workman, it sounded more amplified. 

[BillF]

55 minutes ago, Gheorghe said:

I think I have all or nearly all Soul Note Albums, but it´s really a shame that the band with Billy Harper was recorded only for quite shortlived labels. I say, Max Roach is one of the most important musicians from the generation that created "modern jazz". How many Bird, Bud, Diz, Mingus CD´s are available, and how little of Max Roach´s work is available. I didn´t know Max Roach was difficult to deal with. On stage I always had the impression he was very very articulate, very gentleman-like and very nice to the audience, that´s how I remember him on stage. 

About the "second" quartet , I mean when Harper and Workman were replaced by Odean Pope and Calvin Hill, well I also enjoyed that but I didn´t like Odean Pope´s Sound so much as I liked Billy Harper. And Maybe Calvin Hill used another bass amp, but his bass sound was not the same like Reggie Workman, it sounded more amplified. 

Yes, Roach was very articulate on the one occasion I saw him (around 1968). I'm not so sure about "nice to audience" though. He asked the English audience the politically/historically embarrassing question of why the members of his band (Tolliver, Pope, Cowell, Merritt) all had "good old English names".

[Gheorghe]

10 minutes ago, BillF said:

Yes, Roach was very articulate on the one occasion I saw him (around 1968). I'm not so sure about "nice to audience" though. He asked the English audience the politically/historically embarrassing question of why the members of his band (Tolliver, Pope, Cowell, Merritt) all had "good old English names".

I have heard about that question why the bandmembers had "good old English names", embarrassing indeed ! Well, anyway, 1968 must have been a rough year. I´m too young, in 1968 I was 9 years old.

I saw Roach twice , in 1978 and 1980.

On the second occasion, Roach made the stage announcements in German language, much to the surprise of the audience. 

[sidewinder]

NY USA mono

[soulpope]

2 hours ago, Gheorghe said:

And Maybe Calvin Hill used another bass amp, but his bass sound was not the same like Reggie Workman, it sounded more amplified. 

Calvin Hill was no match for Reggie Workman, though a good bass player ....

[Pim]

19 hours ago, HutchFan said:

 

Unless you pay $50 each for the two LPs, like Pim did.  

Nah that was 50 for the both incl shipping. Not bad eh?