Big Beat Steve Posted August 24, 2019 Report Posted August 24, 2019 9 minutes ago, JSngry said: Supraphon 10", an object of no small delight!!! Record plays well-enough too, an extra bonus, but the object is the thing here, especially the cover painting, still a nice glossy laminate on thickass cardboard, with no wear or peel to the sheen.. Yes, they put more artwork and marketing effort into classical music records over there in Czechoslovakia (jazz records often had generic covers before things changed later in the 60s). Yet these classical music records often are almost a dime a dozen here when you find them in clearout bins. Whereas ... the one below in NM condition was a scoop at the equivalent of $1 (though quite some time ago). Eurojazz auction buyers from outside Europe (over in Asia, in particular) have been know to bid crrrraaaazy prices on such items. Quote
JSngry Posted August 24, 2019 Report Posted August 24, 2019 28 minutes ago, Big Beat Steve said: Yet these classical music records often are almost a dime a dozen here when you find them in clearout bins. Even the 10"-ers, they are still cheap and common in your nexus of the woods? (please say yes...) Quote
JSngry Posted August 24, 2019 Report Posted August 24, 2019 aka One of the great 20th Century American Popular Music vocal recordings, and it's all but lost as an individual entity. Yes, it is rightly included in its entirety on the Everything I Have Is Yours compilation, but it is a standalone program in concept and stands gloriously when heard as such, not surrounded on either side by diverse other things. As far as "concept" goes, when the needle runs out on Side 1 after this, you would be well within your rights to sit there for a little bit and wonder if you just heard what you think you just heard. You did. Now go pick that needle up and play the other side! Or this one again. Either way, stay a while. This record can stand up against anybody's. Anybody's. Quote
JSngry Posted August 24, 2019 Report Posted August 24, 2019 1949 Columbia 10". Nifty as fuck! Even if Beethoven is made to look like a Founding Father or something like that. Quote
JSngry Posted August 24, 2019 Report Posted August 24, 2019 Found this a few Saturdays ago, played it today (15, not a FABULOUS price, but hey, we at lunch at home that day, so the money was there), and BAM, not even 3 minutes in, there's a needle-stick? WTF??? so I find the spot on the record where the stylus is sticking, and sure enough, there's a big ol' visible piece of something. I run my finger over it and can feel it sticking out of the groove, so, you know, fuck the old-school vinyl care regimen, let me see if I can pry this loose with a fingernail. I can't. So, you know, we're already condemned to hell for mortal recordsins, you know, let's just lick a finger, get it moist, and WASH that thing outta there with a bodily fluid. THAT worked, then a little wipeover with a clean dishtowel, and on to the turntable we go, no further issues, except some near-subliminal surface noises that might well have been there when the thing was new. But hey, Josey Records, y'all gonna profile with the prices and shit, you could maybe clean the "collectibles" up just a bit before putting them on the rack, maybe? Ya' think? I think, yeah, I do think. I appreciated Joe Henderson on Side 1, and appreciated the Reggie Lucas effect from start to finish (go back to Get Up With It and check out "Mtume" and imagine yourself going to sleep on this record and then waking up in the other, it's a thing that doesn't necessarily involve dreaming as much as it does staying awake and going where yourself gonna go if you don't get in your own way. But jeesus, if ever there was a record that called for Bob Belden to get hold of and de-reverb back into reality, this is it. Dammit Bob, why aren't you still here? Quote
Big Beat Steve Posted August 25, 2019 Report Posted August 25, 2019 (edited) 14 hours ago, JSngry said: Even the 10"-ers, they are still cheap and common in your nexus of the woods? (please say yes...) As I am not into classical music I have not had a close look at what I saw in the bins at clearout sales. At the clearout days we have here at regular intervals at a local used record store all the records (thousands each time) are totally unsorted but I routinely browse through the 10" records first whenever I see any in a bin (they usually end up in stacks among the 12"). I do remember distinctly that while browsing I regularly saw Eastern European pressings there (Czech und Hungarian, i.e. Supraphon and Hungaroton, in many cases), hoping it was an occasional "Eurojazz" find. But alas no, it turned out to be "another" classical music 10-incher in 99% of the cases. However, I realize that there may be differences in "desirability" even among these, and as for what EXACTLY was in there - search me ... All I remember was that some of those classical or light classical music 10-inchers (not just Eastern European ones) had rather nice period cover artwork. But I won't get carried away that far (covers by Jim Flora would be an exception but so far I have never seen any by him there). Edited August 25, 2019 by Big Beat Steve Quote
Aggie87 Posted August 25, 2019 Report Posted August 25, 2019 Is Vinyl West still open in Stuttgart, Steve? I used to love that shop during the time I lived there. The guy that owned it (Tom) was very knowledgeable about jazz and ECM in particular. (I met our board colleague Sidewinder there many years ago - Hi Bob!) I just did an online search and it appears that VInyl West appears to be an online operation based in Spain now, but still operated by Tom. Quote
sidewinder Posted August 25, 2019 Report Posted August 25, 2019 2 hours ago, Aggie87 said: Is Vinyl West still open in Stuttgart, Steve? I used to love that shop during the time I lived there. The guy that owned it (Tom) was very knowledgeable about jazz and ECM in particular. (I met our board colleague Sidewinder there many years ago - Hi Bob!) I just did an online search and it appears that VInyl West appears to be an online operation based in Spain now, but still operated by Tom. Hi Erik - Hope all is well ! I believe that the Vinyl West store in Stuttgart closed quite a few years ago and that Tom runs it as a mail order operation from Spain. Great fun that day at the shop and some good finds ! Quote
JSngry Posted August 25, 2019 Report Posted August 25, 2019 1 hour ago, JSngry said: Irving Ilmer plays the shit out of that solo viola piece! Quote
Aggie87 Posted August 25, 2019 Report Posted August 25, 2019 1 hour ago, sidewinder said: Hi Erik - Hope all is well ! I believe that the Vinyl West store in Stuttgart closed quite a few years ago and that Tom runs it as a mail order operation from Spain. Great fun that day at the shop and some good finds ! Hey Bob - now that I think back, you may have already told me this previously. I remember talking with you about Tom a few times after our get together. Hope all's well with you! Quote
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted August 26, 2019 Report Posted August 26, 2019 On 8/19/2019 at 6:29 PM, HutchFan said: Jack McDuff - The Heatin' System (Cadet, 1972) Oh yes. yea my guy Quote
Big Beat Steve Posted August 26, 2019 Report Posted August 26, 2019 (edited) 14 hours ago, Aggie87 said: Is Vinyl West still open in Stuttgart, Steve? I used to love that shop during the time I lived there. The guy that owned it (Tom) was very knowledgeable about jazz and ECM in particular. (I met our board colleague Sidewinder there many years ago - Hi Bob!) I just did an online search and it appears that VInyl West appears to be an online operation based in Spain now, but still operated by Tom. Like you found out online ... Which shop did you visit? A smallish semi-basement shop in a row of older brownstones or one with a fairly large glass-pane front where the entrance was a few stairs up? He moved to the latter one in the late 90s. We may have bumped into each other unknowingly in either of the two. I left a lot of money there ... Vinyl West closed down at the later location described above in 2003 or so. Tom briefly reopened a smaller shop around the corner 1-2 years later but this was gone again before I had a chance of going there. He then concentrated on online sales (including eBay) and mail order and later moved on to Spain after some non-business related matters made him pull up stakes here, it seems. Your VfB avatar has always had me thinking you had some connections there but during which period exactly did you live over here? Edited August 26, 2019 by Big Beat Steve Quote
sidewinder Posted August 26, 2019 Report Posted August 26, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Big Beat Steve said: Like you found out online ... Which shop did you visit? A smallish semi-basement shop in a row of older brownstones or one with a fairly large glass-pane front where the entrance was a few stairs up? He moved to the latter one in the late 90s. We may have bumped into each other unknowingly in either of the two. I left a lot of money there ... Vinyl West closed down at the later location described above in 2003 or so. Tom briefly reopened a smaller shop around the corner 1-2 years later but this was gone again before I had a chance of going there. He then concentrated on online sales (including eBay) and mail order and later moved on to Spain after some non-business related matters made him pull up stakes here, it seems. Your VfB avatar has always had me thinking you had some connections there but during which period exactly did you live over here? The place with the large glass-pane front is the one I remember. Edited August 26, 2019 by sidewinder Quote
soulpope Posted August 26, 2019 Report Posted August 26, 2019 4 hours ago, aparxa said: Hot stuff .... Quote
Aggie87 Posted August 26, 2019 Report Posted August 26, 2019 14 hours ago, Big Beat Steve said: Like you found out online ... Which shop did you visit? A smallish semi-basement shop in a row of older brownstones or one with a fairly large glass-pane front where the entrance was a few stairs up? He moved to the latter one in the late 90s. We may have bumped into each other unknowingly in either of the two. I left a lot of money there ... Vinyl West closed down at the later location described above in 2003 or so. Tom briefly reopened a smaller shop around the corner 1-2 years later but this was gone again before I had a chance of going there. He then concentrated on online sales (including eBay) and mail order and later moved on to Spain after some non-business related matters made him pull up stakes here, it seems. Your VfB avatar has always had me thinking you had some connections there but during which period exactly did you live over here? Yes, as sidewinder mentioned, I visited them when he was located in the place with the large glass pane front. I loved that shop, and spoke with Tom many times. I live in Stuttgart for 5 years, from the end of 1998 through the end of 2003. It was a wonderful time for me, and my son was born there (at Robert Bosch Krankenhaus). There were a number of music shops I visited - zweitausendeins, Einklang, Vinyl West, Second Hand Records, and occasionally the chain stores back then - Lerche, Media Markt, and WOM. WOM actually had a pretty good inventory at the time, at the location near the Hauptbahnhof. I wish I lived in a city that had that number of music shops today. Are you from Stuttgart originally? What a wonderful place. Quote
JSngry Posted August 26, 2019 Report Posted August 26, 2019 A wonderful record, brilliantly recorded, perhaps not so well cared for...but it's one of those LPs where the recoring is so good that the noise becomes unnoticeable once the music starts. (mine's a mono) aka Now, what I did NOT get, sadly, was this Crossroads inner sleeve: What was the accounting idea behind Columbia to Epic over to Supraphon back over to Crossroads? Was this some Cold War money diversion, or just what, exactly? Quote
riddlemay Posted August 27, 2019 Report Posted August 27, 2019 12 hours ago, JSngry said: A wonderful record, brilliantly recorded, perhaps not so well cared for...but it's one of those LPs where the recoring is so good that the noise becomes unnoticeable once the music starts. (mine's a mono) aka Now, what I did NOT get, sadly, was this Crossroads inner sleeve: What was the accounting idea behind Columbia to Epic over to Supraphon back over to Crossroads? Was this some Cold War money diversion, or just what, exactly? Wow--I don't remember the Crossroads label (apparently a tiny little division of Columbia) at all! I well remember their budget classical label Odyssey, which had lots of good repertoire in good performances in good sound on good pressings, but not Crossroads. I love the Seymour-Chwast-meets-Peter-Max graphics, too. Quote
JSngry Posted August 27, 2019 Report Posted August 27, 2019 I think Odyssey was mostly for reissues? From what I can tell, his Crossroads label appears to have existed strictly for the sole purpose of distributing Supraphon releases in the US. Since Supraphon was a Czechoslovakianka "Communist") label, I'm wondering what the impetus was for Columbia to set up this really unique sub-label and give it such a "pop" marketing look...Where EVERYBODY Meets Great Music... Here's two I'd like to find: Pretty prolific output in just 2-3 years: https://www.discogs.com/label/76208-Crossroads-3 Quote
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