Kevin Bresnahan Posted August 7, 2019 Report Posted August 7, 2019 (edited) 13 hours ago, HutchFan said: Harold Mabern, baby! And Frank Strozier! Yeah. I've never had any luck buying Trip records. They have almost all sounded terrible to the point where I stopped buying them. Edited August 7, 2019 by bresna Quote
JSngry Posted August 7, 2019 Report Posted August 7, 2019 For too long, Trip was the only way to get the Max Roach Emarcy stuff, including those with Clifford. Pressings be damned, here it was, again, at last! Quote
HutchFan Posted August 7, 2019 Report Posted August 7, 2019 57 minutes ago, bresna said: I've never had any luck buying Trip records. They have almost all sounded terrible to the point where I stopped buying them. This MJT+3 set isn't terrible sound-wise. The original VeeJay LPs probably sounded better. But the Trip vinyl is still listenable -- to me at least. Quote
Kevin Bresnahan Posted August 7, 2019 Report Posted August 7, 2019 Aren't those Trip LPs just needle drops? That's about what they sounded like to me. Needle drops can sound OK, but not if they're poorly done. Quote
JSngry Posted August 7, 2019 Report Posted August 7, 2019 Trip was a, uh....trip. But early on I'm pretty sure they worked legit: Now, how would you distinguish a somewhat/extremely crappy pressing from a needle drop? Oddly enough, you might have to use an 8 Track to decide! Quote
HutchFan Posted August 7, 2019 Report Posted August 7, 2019 (edited) On 8/7/2019 at 9:54 AM, bresna said: Aren't those Trip LPs just needle drops? That's about what they sounded like to me. Needle drops can sound OK, but not if they're poorly done. I'd always assumed that they were licensed, but I'm not certain. IIRC, I only have a couple other Trip LPs -- a Woody Herman, originally Phillips, and one of Quincy's Mercury big band records. They struck me as sounding OK too. (Again, maybe not as good as the originals, but I'd always ascribed that to Trip's pressing and/or vinyl quality.) bresna, one thing to consider: I don't consider myself an "audiophile," so that may color my perceptions. I have a solid analog set-up -- and old Rega Planar 3 'table with a Dynavector 10x4 cartridge and an NAD pre-amp -- but I try my best to not focus on sound per se. I really don't like futzing around with audio gear (or comparing versions of recordings). Most of my audio equipment is relatively old -- because once I find something that I'm happy with I don't want to mess with it. Also, my 51-year-old ears ain't what they used to be! My hearing is at the very bottom of the "normal" range, and I expect that I'll be using hearing aids at some point in the future. So take all that I'm saying with regards to sound with a grain of salt. On 8/7/2019 at 10:15 AM, JSngry said: Now, how would you distinguish a somewhat/extremely crappy pressing from a needle drop? Oddly enough, you might have to use an 8 Track to decide! If you're using an 8-track to determine the audio quality of ANYTHING, that is NOT a good sign! Edited August 16, 2019 by HutchFan Quote
JSngry Posted August 7, 2019 Report Posted August 7, 2019 I know, right?!?!?! The whole Trip Jazz thing began(?) issuing what was then Phonogram back-catalog, which is where the Emarcy/Mercury/Phillips stuff came from. For whatever reason, they didn't do Verve, possibly because Verve was already having its own reissue party. Pressings were not the best, but oh well. The Max catalog in particular, good freaking luck getting all of that on LP in those days, any of it. Same with most of that stuff, Phonogram/Polygram/Whoever, they were content to Let Trip Do It. But Trip was a part of Springboard, and Springboard was Shady Grady like a big dog. so after a while, Trip started trippin'. Quote
kh1958 Posted August 7, 2019 Report Posted August 7, 2019 (edited) Well, Clifford Brown sounds so glorious on the Emarcy pressings... Those Trip LPs were everywhere in the 1970s. They were below-average pressings in an era when the average pressing was below-average compared to the 50s and 60s. I bought a fair number back then, but I would not today. Edited August 7, 2019 by kh1958 Quote
Big Beat Steve Posted August 7, 2019 Report Posted August 7, 2019 Their reissues of 78rpm-era recordings weren't THAT bad ... And compared to labels such as Ajax/Ajaz any Trip items were just audiophile! Quote
JSngry Posted August 7, 2019 Report Posted August 7, 2019 28 minutes ago, kh1958 said: Well, Clifford Brown sounds so glorious on the Emarcy pressings... Those Trip LPs were everywhere in the 1970s. They were below-average pressings in an era when the average pressing was below-average compared to the 50s and 60s. I bought a fair number back then, but I would not today. If - If -you found an OG Emarcy pressing in those days, it tended to be either plowed or was priced out the ass. That was my experience anyway. They were useful in their time, but today, with so many other options, no. There's no need for them now, except as temporary solutions, and even then.... Quote
JSngry Posted August 7, 2019 Report Posted August 7, 2019 I take that back, there is still a place for Trip in today's collections (Randy Weston, Trumpet Spectacular, etc), just not for the Emarcy/Phillips stuff...and even then, there's a few things where they offer a budget-friendly option. But overall... Quote
kh1958 Posted August 7, 2019 Report Posted August 7, 2019 1 hour ago, JSngry said: I take that back, there is still a place for Trip in today's collections (Randy Weston, Trumpet Spectacular, etc), just not for the Emarcy/Phillips stuff...and even then, there's a few things where they offer a budget-friendly option. But overall... There were original recordings on Trip? I did not know that. Quote
JSngry Posted August 7, 2019 Report Posted August 7, 2019 Not "original" original, but a few things of obscure and/or vague origin. a.o. Fred Winley and O'Be Productions seemed to have a connect with Trip. Also, I have an LP of that Trumpet Summit thing from club Ruby that fresh sounds did a CD of, it's on Trip as well. That one appears to be direct from Fred Norsworthy himself. Quote
HutchFan Posted August 7, 2019 Report Posted August 7, 2019 I pulled that MJT + 3 two-LP set out of the dollar bin (!) at Wuxtry in Decatur. Well worth that. Speaking of Brownie & Max on vinyl, I picked up these two sets a while back: Audio-wise, I think they sound pretty good -- even if they were released in 1976 & 1977. Much, much better than the Trip releases, I'd imagine. Quote
clifford_thornton Posted August 9, 2019 Report Posted August 9, 2019 On 8/7/2019 at 2:44 PM, JSngry said: Not "original" original, but a few things of obscure and/or vague origin. Fred Winley and O'Be Productions seemed to have a connect with Trip. yeah, this was originally on O'Be (Orville O'Brien's label). It was also issued on Mercury in Japan. Quote
sidewinder Posted August 9, 2019 Report Posted August 9, 2019 (edited) And budget label DJM in the UK.. Edited August 9, 2019 by sidewinder Quote
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mikeweil Posted August 11, 2019 Report Posted August 11, 2019 It amazes me how few of Cano's albums were reissued on CD. This is a Spanish LP reissue from the 1980's. Quote
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