JSngry Posted January 27, 2015 Report Posted January 27, 2015 Exactly. "sounding great" and "audiophile-level sounds" are two different mindsets, or at least not necessarily the same mindset. 78s got them bigassgrooves. They can hold a LOT of information and some of them do put out a helluva lot of presence. It was an original direct-to-disc format, remember. I'm not a 78 guy myself, not even close, but I've got a few, and don't at all dismiss the format out of hand. Hearing Bird's entrance on "Sepia Bounce" on 78 nearly made me shit my pants in a way that no other format has. It called me Walter Cronkite and told me YOU ARE THERE. Not overlooking the obvious in terms of specs and such, especially when we get into digitally recorded music, just saying that I've heard several people say that their 78s do indeed sound "great", and I have no reason to doubt them when they do. High speed, bigass groove to hold information, hey for whatever the machinery of the time could capture, no reason why it shouldn't sound great. Quote
paul secor Posted January 27, 2015 Report Posted January 27, 2015 All I know is that certain record companies that reissue music originally released on 78s - Yazoo, Mamlish, Blues Image, Frog, Jazz Oracle - have issued LPs and CDs with very good sounding music. I have no doubt and it makes sense that the original 78s they've used as source material sound better than the LPs and CDs. Quote
clifford_thornton Posted January 27, 2015 Report Posted January 27, 2015 This is The Hip Walk under another name, right? Amen to the above posts - I wish I had the room and time to delve into 78s, not to mention an ability to siphon off LP system funds into another setup. Maybe when I'm no longer city-bound. Quote
Clunky Posted January 27, 2015 Report Posted January 27, 2015 (edited) Well I'm a 78 guy as well as a 33.3, 45 , CD, MD, flac and streaming guy. With interests from the ODJB to Mad Dogs on the loose and everything in between. The point I was trying to make earlier was that 78s need to be flipped over every few minutes and whilst it can get a little tedious the allure of the physical product , it's history and provenance are great it's often the sound that captures you. Even some what worn 78s have greater dynamism compared to the same tracks transferred to LP or CD. The exceptions in my collection are where the 78s I have are in fact dubs and CD versions are from original pressings. The closer to the source the better it's going to sound. Regarding 45rpm LP sets . My experience is limited to around two dozen BN Music Matters and just a couple of others. Although some of the claims about them have been over stated they easy sound the best presentations of the music I've heard. Of course they'll be bested by further editions and it's a bit of a chore flipping them every 8-10 mins but as with 78s there are benefits. Edited January 27, 2015 by Clunky Quote
Leeway Posted January 28, 2015 Report Posted January 28, 2015 This is The Hip Walk under another name, right? Well, sort of. It's two sessions with different personnel mashed together, recorded by MPS, put out by Prestige. It's got part of Hip Walk. Carmell Jones in Europe 1965-66 Prestige 7669 Group A Carmell Jones- trumpet Nathan Davis- tnr,sop Francy Boland- p Jimmy Woode-b Kenny Clarke- d Group B Carmell Jones- trumpet Pony Poindexter- alto,voc Leo Wright-alto,flute Fritz Pauer-p Andre Condouant-gtr Jimmy Woode-b Joe Nay-d Annie Ross- voc Carmell’s Black Forest Waltz (A) Jumpin’ at the Woodside (B) That Kaycee Thing (A) B’s Blues (A) The Hip Walk (A) Twisted (B) Quote
Leeway Posted January 28, 2015 Report Posted January 28, 2015 ACCENT ON THE BLUES - John Patton, James "Blood" Ulmer(g), Marvin Cabell (ts, saxello, fl), Leroy Williams (d). Bluesy, funky, and also spacey. Quote
clifford_thornton Posted January 28, 2015 Report Posted January 28, 2015 This is The Hip Walk under another name, right? Well, sort of. It's two sessions with different personnel mashed together, recorded by MPS, put out by Prestige. It's got part of Hip Walk. Carmell Jones in Europe 1965-66 Prestige 7669 Group A Carmell Jones- trumpet Nathan Davis- tnr,sop Francy Boland- p Jimmy Woode-b Kenny Clarke- d Group B Carmell Jones- trumpet Pony Poindexter- alto,voc Leo Wright-alto,flute Fritz Pauer-p Andre Condouant-gtr Jimmy Woode-b Joe Nay-d Annie Ross- voc Carmell’s Black Forest Waltz (A) Jumpin’ at the Woodside (B) That Kaycee Thing (A) B’s Blues (A) The Hip Walk (A) Twisted (B) Aha, so it's got part of the Annie Ross/Pony Poindexter session (recorded at the 10th German Jazz Festival). Now: Andrew White - Spotts, Maxine & Brown - (Andrew's Music) ripping take on "Dizzy Atmosphere" here. Quote
BillF Posted January 28, 2015 Report Posted January 28, 2015 Saw Carmell Jones during that time in Europe. He played at Club 43 Manchester with a local trio. Quote
paul secor Posted January 28, 2015 Report Posted January 28, 2015 This is The Hip Walk under another name, right? Well, sort of. It's two sessions with different personnel mashed together, recorded by MPS, put out by Prestige. It's got part of Hip Walk. Carmell Jones in Europe 1965-66 Prestige 7669 Group A Carmell Jones- trumpet Nathan Davis- tnr,sop Francy Boland- p Jimmy Woode-b Kenny Clarke- d Group B Carmell Jones- trumpet Pony Poindexter- alto,voc Leo Wright-alto,flute Fritz Pauer-p Andre Condouant-gtr Jimmy Woode-b Joe Nay-d Annie Ross- voc Carmell’s Black Forest Waltz (A) Jumpin’ at the Woodside (B) That Kaycee Thing (A) B’s Blues (A) The Hip Walk (A) Twisted (B) Aha, so it's got part of the Annie Ross/Pony Poindexter session (recorded at the 10th German Jazz Festival). Now: Andrew White - Spotts, Maxine & Brown - (Andrew's Music) ripping take on "Dizzy Atmosphere" here. Has Andrew White retired from playing? Quote
clifford_thornton Posted January 28, 2015 Report Posted January 28, 2015 not to my knowledge, I saw him last year and he was in excellent form. Quote
mjazzg Posted January 28, 2015 Report Posted January 28, 2015 Konstrukt and William Parker - Live at NHKM [Holiday Records] Quote
paul secor Posted January 28, 2015 Report Posted January 28, 2015 (edited) not to my knowledge, I saw him last year and he was in excellent form. Good to read that. Thanks. Edited January 28, 2015 by paul secor Quote
soulpope Posted January 28, 2015 Report Posted January 28, 2015 Gilmore with Elmo Hope is interesting, as is Gilmore with Dizzy Reece, although he's one of those guys who I don't think you can tell how he really was outside of the one place, because he hardly ever was, nor do I see what difference it makes, really. He did what he did where he did it, simple as that. Paul Gonsalves was not quite like that, but almost was. I think if you here the entire scope of his work with Ra, you get a pretty accurate picture of everything he could do, which was a helluva lot, and done pretty damn well. He had his home, never dismiss the importance of having a home, not everybody does, especially jazz musicians of that time and place. Gigs are not generally good places to look for a home, but bands are, or were. All I know is that if John Gilmore is playing, I'm listening. Agreed Quote
paul secor Posted January 28, 2015 Report Posted January 28, 2015 IN MY OWN SWEET WAY -Woody Shaw Of the Woody Shaw that I've heard, that's my favorite. Quote
clifford_thornton Posted January 29, 2015 Report Posted January 29, 2015 Dizzy Reece - Star Bright - (BN UA mono) Quote
jeffcrom Posted January 29, 2015 Report Posted January 29, 2015 Karl Berger / Dave Friedman / Tom van der Geld / Wolfgang Lackschmid - Vibes Summit (MPS) Quote
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted January 29, 2015 Report Posted January 29, 2015 (edited) so i guess the stereo vers. of "jazz of two cities".....is not impossibly expensive and/or rare. didnt really know this. multiple songs are complete other takes, as compared to the earlier mono counterpart. (this one relesed later, both not at same time). im not spinnin now. it arrives tmw. the other trks are the same takes as the mono, i guess they are in real stereo, i hope. this might even be better than the mono cause on the mono i know certain takes are edited eg. the solo from 1 into another.....now that i have this all i need is ted brown-freewheeling, it'll turn up eventually.... Edited January 29, 2015 by chewy Quote
Homefromtheforest Posted January 29, 2015 Report Posted January 29, 2015 Grant Green "grantstand" (Blue Note, NY stereo) Quote
Homefromtheforest Posted January 29, 2015 Report Posted January 29, 2015 Biosphere "patashnik" (R&S, Belgium) Quote
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted January 29, 2015 Report Posted January 29, 2015 (edited) if i was the high bidder, i would of won a freaking Plastylite test pressing of jackie mclean JACKKNIFE w/ lee morgan + charles tolliver, my hb was only 150, i think it went for 152. 153 would not of been bad to pay for one of the worlds only vangelder stamped jacknifes. Saw Carmell Jones during that time in Europe. He played at Club 43 Manchester with a local trio. god i cant believe ive never seen this, seems like this would of turned up by now.....non vangelder stamped prestige, ive seen these prestige presents MPS issues w/ the initials inscribed with a box drawn around him, DBH i believe.....not Vangelders, theyre done by someone else. other us prestige have the same initials too, from that period, i wonder who it was. Edited January 29, 2015 by chewy Quote
clifford_thornton Posted January 29, 2015 Report Posted January 29, 2015 I see it went for $148.50 chewy, not sure why you didn't win. I didn't realize that test pressings were made for this title and a catalog number assigned. Quote
Homefromtheforest Posted January 29, 2015 Report Posted January 29, 2015 Is there a link for this? Never heard of it!Ah just found it nevermind...crazy! Quote
mjazzg Posted January 29, 2015 Report Posted January 29, 2015 We Like We - A New Age of Sensibility [The Being Music] Quote
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