What vinyl are you spinning right now??

[JSngry]

Gilmore with Elmo Hope is interesting, as is Gilmore with Dizzy Reece, although he's one of those guys who I don't think you can tell how he really was outside of the one place, because he hardly ever was, nor do I see what difference it makes, really. He did what he did where he did it, simple as that. Paul Gonsalves was not quite like that, but almost was. I think if you here the entire scope of his work with Ra, you get a pretty accurate picture of everything he could do, which was a helluva lot, and done pretty damn well.

He had his home, never dismiss the importance of having a home, not everybody does, especially jazz musicians of that time and place. Gigs are not generally good places to look for a home, but bands are, or were.

All I know is that if John Gilmore is playing, I'm listening.

[sidewinder]

Woody Shaw 'Song Of Songs' (Contemporary OJC pressing)

[mjazzg]

Woody Shaw 'Song Of Songs' (Contemporary OJC pressing)

That's a beaurty :tup

[B. Clugston]

Woody Shaw 'Song Of Songs' (Contemporary OJC pressing)

That's a beaurty :tup :tup

[Leeway]

Gilmore with Elmo Hope is interesting, as is Gilmore with Dizzy Reece, although he's one of those guys who I don't think you can tell how he really was outside of the one place, because he hardly ever was, nor do I see what difference it makes, really. He did what he did where he did it, simple as that. Paul Gonsalves was not quite like that, but almost was. I think if you here the entire scope of his work with Ra, you get a pretty accurate picture of everything he could do, which was a helluva lot, and done pretty damn well.

He had his home, never dismiss the importance of having a home, not everybody does, especially jazz musicians of that time and place. Gigs are not generally good places to look for a home, but bands are, or were.

All I know is that if John Gilmore is playing, I'm listening.

I listen too, just not as impressed with non-Ra performances. My premise is really quite simple: Gilmore plays so much better with Sun Ra than he does elsewhere, it just leads one to wonder why. Was it something with Sun Ra, or something innate to Gilmore. Probably both: Ra's overarching structure, and Gilmore's need to play with people he was friendly with. I don't really know, but find it a curious case.

[Leeway]

ODYSSEY OF ISKA - Wayne Shorter - French pressing with variant cover.

[kh1958]

Johnny Hodges, Don't Sleep in the Subway (Verve) and The Eleventh Hour (Verve).

Then, Solo Monk (Columbia two eyes mono).

[clifford_thornton]

Gilmore with Elmo Hope is interesting, as is Gilmore with Dizzy Reece, although he's one of those guys who I don't think you can tell how he really was outside of the one place, because he hardly ever was, nor do I see what difference it makes, really. He did what he did where he did it, simple as that. Paul Gonsalves was not quite like that, but almost was. I think if you here the entire scope of his work with Ra, you get a pretty accurate picture of everything he could do, which was a helluva lot, and done pretty damn well.

He had his home, never dismiss the importance of having a home, not everybody does, especially jazz musicians of that time and place. Gigs are not generally good places to look for a home, but bands are, or were.

All I know is that if John Gilmore is playing, I'm listening.

I listen too, just not as impressed with non-Ra performances. My premise is really quite simple: Gilmore plays so much better with Sun Ra than he does elsewhere, it just leads one to wonder why. Was it something with Sun Ra, or something innate to Gilmore. Probably both: Ra's overarching structure, and Gilmore's need to play with people he was friendly with. I don't really know, but find it a curious case.

That Dizzy Reece LP he's on is stunning. Leeway, I suggest giving it a listen. I don't have a ton of Ra (just never got the bug), so my listening to Gilmore - with La Roca (as badly recorded as that record is), Bley (ditto), Hill, et al. - has been mostly these non-Ra sideman dates, and he's never failed to deliver heavy goods.

[Leeway]

Gilmore with Elmo Hope is interesting, as is Gilmore with Dizzy Reece, although he's one of those guys who I don't think you can tell how he really was outside of the one place, because he hardly ever was, nor do I see what difference it makes, really. He did what he did where he did it, simple as that. Paul Gonsalves was not quite like that, but almost was. I think if you here the entire scope of his work with Ra, you get a pretty accurate picture of everything he could do, which was a helluva lot, and done pretty damn well.

He had his home, never dismiss the importance of having a home, not everybody does, especially jazz musicians of that time and place. Gigs are not generally good places to look for a home, but bands are, or were.

All I know is that if John Gilmore is playing, I'm listening.

I listen too, just not as impressed with non-Ra performances. My premise is really quite simple: Gilmore plays so much better with Sun Ra than he does elsewhere, it just leads one to wonder why. Was it something with Sun Ra, or something innate to Gilmore. Probably both: Ra's overarching structure, and Gilmore's need to play with people he was friendly with. I don't really know, but find it a curious case.

That Dizzy Reece LP he's on is stunning. Leeway, I suggest giving it a listen. I don't have a ton of Ra (just never got the bug), so my listening to Gilmore - with La Roca (as badly recorded as that record is), Bley (ditto), Hill, et al. - has been mostly these non-Ra sideman dates, and he's never failed to deliver heavy goods.

I just replayed the CD of that album ("From In to Out"), and while Gilmore does get off one or two good volleys, he's probably the 3rd or 4th most effective person on the album. Not knocking his performance, just saying it doesn't set any new bars for me. But I'll reconsider if I'm being too hard on Gilmore, and give me something to think about when I listen to Sun Ra.

[Clunky]

Lightnin' Hopkins----------- Earth Blues-------( Minit ) UK pressing of 1940s sides.

[Leeway]

Got some grit!

[Clunky]

Got some grit!

That's a good one

[JSngry]

My premise is really quite simple: Gilmore plays so much better with Sun Ra than he does elsewhere, it just leads one to wonder why. Was it something with Sun Ra, or something innate to Gilmore. Probably both: Ra's overarching structure, and Gilmore's need to play with people he was friendly with. I don't really know, but find it a curious case.

Gilmore was neither a bandleader not a freelancer, he was a band player, and Ra's was the band he played in. Different mindset to begin with, and definitely different mindset as time passes. Also, Gilmore with Ra = Huge sample size over decades vs Gilmore outside of Ra = miniscule (by comparison) sample size over very limited windows of opportunity. So, apples and oranges, really, it's not like John Gilmore was the type of player who had his Living commodity game primed to show up at any/every gig in the world and be the Always Dazzling John Gilmore, some people can do that, but just as many, maybe more, really, don't and/or can't. You can be forgiven for thinking that those who can are the norm, but think deeper on it and it might come to look like you get that impression because the people who can do that GET to do that, because doing that is what feeds the business, the business NEEDS people who can do that in order for there to BE a business in the first place. Not knocking there being a business, no, that's the way of the world, just saying that the nature of the business is not going to give all "types" equal treatment, not that it should be expected to, but still, perception = reality, except when not, which is often enough.

[spinlps]

Herman Foster - Have You Heard. Original promo copy on epic. Love him on the Donaldson records. First time I've seen his solo stuff on vinyl.

[clifford_thornton]

Michael Pierre Vlatkovitch - s/t - (Thankyou)

always meant to check out the first LP by this relatively prolific west coast trombonist - fine, weird stuff, certainly relatable to the work of his peer Vinny Golia.

[chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez]

got the mobe ANOTHER WORKOUT 45 rpm set / sounds great, this is replacing my US cd which i havent spun in yrs, happy i never bought the 80s vinyl now

[Clunky]

Ted Brown + Gene DiNovi------------Live in Yokohama----------(Marshmallow Jpn)

Relaxed quartet date , immaculately recorded.Very pleasant if not especially revelatory. DiNovi is excellent and in all fairness I've not heard much by him.

[Kevin Bresnahan]

got the mobe ANOTHER WORKOUT 45 rpm set / sounds great, this is replacing my US cd which i havent spun in yrs, happy i never bought the 80s vinyl now

45 RPM Tracklist A1 Out Of Joe's Bag A2 I Should Care B Gettin' And Jettin' C Hank's Other Soul D1 Hello Young Lovers D2

Three Coins In A Fountain

So you have two LP sides with songs that are only 7:43 & 8:42 minutes long? What a pain in the ass that must be.

[Clunky]

got the mobe ANOTHER WORKOUT 45 rpm set / sounds great, this is replacing my US cd which i havent spun in yrs, happy i never bought the 80s vinyl now

45 RPM Tracklist A1 Out Of Joe's Bag A2 I Should Care B Gettin' And Jettin' C Hank's Other Soul D1 Hello Young Lovers D2

Three Coins In A Fountain

So you have two LP sides with songs that are only 7:43 & 8:42 minutes long? What a pain in the ass that must be.

You should try 78s, only 3 mins per side. There are benefits of course , as there are for 45 rpm LP sets.

[Kevin Bresnahan]

got the mobe ANOTHER WORKOUT 45 rpm set / sounds great, this is replacing my US cd which i havent spun in yrs, happy i never bought the 80s vinyl now

45 RPM Tracklist A1 Out Of Joe's Bag A2 I Should Care B Gettin' And Jettin' C Hank's Other Soul D1 Hello Young Lovers D2

Three Coins In A Fountain

So you have two LP sides with songs that are only 7:43 & 8:42 minutes long? What a pain in the ass that must be.

You should try 78s, only 3 mins per side. There are benefits of course , as there are for 45 rpm LP sets.

I've read of the reported benefits of 45 rpm sides but not heard that benefit myself. I've never heard anyone say that their 78 rpm records sound great though.

[JSngry]

I've never heard anyone say that their 78 rpm records sound great though.

Really?

[Homefromtheforest]

Sadao Watanabe & Charlie Mariano "we got a new bag" (Takt, Japan)

[jeffcrom]

Marilyn Crispell / Doug James - And Your Ivory Voice Sings (Leo)

[Kevin Bresnahan]

I've never heard anyone say that their 78 rpm records sound great though.

Really?

Really. *I* have never heard anyone say that their 78 rpm discs sound great. Sure, I've heard people talk about the great music on their 78s but I've never heard anyone advocating for some sort of audiophile-level sounds coming from them like I do from the people who are buying these new 45 rpm LPs.

[clifford_thornton]

Audiophile dudes aren't interested in the type of music that was recorded at the time 78s were the medium of choice. I don't think you get into country, prewar blues, or traditional Greek folk music, for example, because of how rad it sounds on your speakers. You get into it because the music is extremely fascinating.

But clean copies of 78s that were recorded very well sound amazing, so there is that.