What vinyl are you spinning right now??

[JSngry]

have the record people done forot how to make records like they used to, you know, where they play right, like records?

has all the knowledge science been lost in less than  a lifetime?

is the $1200/records cost going to R&D and to schooling for record making scientists to reclaim the acanity?

[HutchFan]

1 minute ago, JSngry said:

have the record people done forot how to make records like they used to, you know, where they play right, like records?

has all the knowledge science been lost in less than  a lifetime?

is the $1200/records cost going to R&D and to schooling for record making scientists to reclaim the acanity?

Perilously close to an old-guy rant.  Look out there, Jim.   

There's always been records that make folks' rigs skip or have problems... especially when you get up there in rarified "audiophile" air.   

 

 

Next up:

Jay McShann, Buddy Tate - Crazy Legs & Friday Strut (Sackville, 1977)

Buddy Tate, people!  Buddy Tate !!!

 

[mjazzg]

Charles Mingus- Presents [Candid, 1985 RP]

I paid £3.99, money well spent at Ray's Jazz by the looks of the price tag

[JSngry]

19 minutes ago, HutchFan said:

Perilously close to an old-guy rant.  Look out there, Jim.   

There's always been records that make folks' rigs skip or have problems... especially when you get up there in rarified "audiophile" air.   

 

Perilously close, my ass- it's an all-in old guy rant.

They charging how much for this shit and it can't even play as good as a $4.99 LP from 1972?

This only happens because consumers allow it, the same way the discontinuation of vinyl occurred in the first place because consumers allowed it.

Consumers, like people in general, all too ready to vote against their own best reality-based interests whenever a new shiny object is thrown in front of them.

[HutchFan]

15 minutes ago, JSngry said:

Perilously close, my ass- it's an all-in old guy rant.

Ha!   

 

[Dan Gould]

Not as old as Jim but I am +1.

I can't believe that Bresna, who I am sure has a nice rig, could buy an "audiophile" pressing that plays like shit for at least one track.

Edited May 19, 2021 by Dan Gould

[JSngry]

Ok, factoring for inflation, a $4.98 record in 1972 would cost $31.57 today. So, about the same, actually a jumbo soda less. But that $4.98 record ($3.98 for mono), would probably play just fine, and if it didn't, hope in the car (or on the bike) and take it over to Soundtownhouse Of Records and get a new one that did, no problem, no questions asked, hey, this record don't play right, oh, bummer, here's a new one.

Things are supposed to get better over time, unless people forget how to do it, or else just don't give a damn about how it comes out. And the consumer is supposed to drive that bus, if they can stay sober-minded enough, which, ugh about how that goes. But Kramden done Krunk.

[Mark Stryker]

1 hour ago, bresna said:

Andrew Hill - Passing Ships (Blue Note). Listening to Side 1 to see if my turntable/cartridge can pass the torture test that is "Plantation Bag". Apparently, this track presents tracking challenges to some turntables. On first listen to this, they really did a nice job in the mastering studio in creating a lively analog master tape to cut with.

Well - my turntable failed that miserably. Weirdly, it wasn't Farrell's sax solo that got me. It was the piano solo near with the trombone/bass clarinet fills distoring like heck. Sounds like crap.

You know, when I played this the other day, I noticed a couple of spots in the saxophone solo on "Plantation" where I thought I heard a skip -- it wasn't a repeating skip, but a barely audible "jump" that sounded almost like a clumsy edit. I took the record off and wiped with a cloth to see if there was a speck of dust or something stuck to the vinyl. Played it again with same result. I couldn't feel anything with my finger, so I was confused. Then I played it again with my eyes right at stylus level to see if I could actually see the "jump" but I could not see anything unusual, but I still heard the jump. I was about ready to take the record back but then the next time I played that spot, the record seemed to play fine.

So:

(a) I guess I am not the only one who noticed an issue.

(b) My record apparently is possessed and it is sometimes going to jump and sometimes will play fine just to fuck with my mind. 

 

  

 

 

[Kevin Bresnahan]

The rumor mill (actually, the Steve Hoffman forum ) says that cartridges with a higher tracking force seem to fare better. Well, I just happened to pick up a Denon 110th Anniversary DL-103R cartridge last month and that cartridge tracks at 2.5 grams, 2/3rds higher than my Ortofon 2M Black cart, so I stuck that on there (hooray for turntables with swappable headshells) and it plays straight through without any problem... except it really doesn't sound as good to my ears. Bummer. I was hoping to have this cart as a backup (always a good idea with vinyl playback systems) but now I may just buy a back-up 2M Black stylus.

[HutchFan]

Cal Tjader - Tjader (Fantasy, 1971)

 

[soulpope]

On 15.5.2021 at 5:43 PM, mjazzg said:

Rick Rozie, Lee Rozie, Rashied Ali - Afro Algonquin [Moers Music]

Bought directly from the label last week, can't have been a big seller...

Excellent platter ....

[HutchFan]

Arthur Blythe - Blythe Spirit (Columbia, 1981)

 

[BillF]

9 hours ago, jazzcorner said:

 

 

[JSngry]

1 hour ago, Mark Stryker said:

You know, when I played this the other day, I noticed a couple of spots in the saxophone solo on "Plantation" where I thought I heard a skip -- it wasn't a repeating skip, but a barely audible "jump" that sounded almost like a clumsy edit. I took the record off and wiped with a cloth to see if there was a speck of dust or something stuck to the vinyl. Played it again with same result. I couldn't feel anything with my finger, so I was confused. Then I played it again with my eyes right at stylus level to see if I could actually see the "jump" but I could not see anything unusual, but I still heard the jump. I was about ready to take the record back ... 

 

 

Take that fucker back. Get one that plays right, like a record should play.

Think about it - if you had paid as much as....$8.98 for that record, you'd not think twice.

This is more than 3X that.

[Gheorghe]

12 hours ago, HutchFan said:

Perilously close to an old-guy rant.  Look out there, Jim.   

There's always been records that make folks' rigs skip or have problems... especially when you get up there in rarified "audiophile" air.   

 

 

Next up:

Jay McShann, Buddy Tate - Crazy Legs & Friday Strut (Sackville, 1977)

Buddy Tate, people!  Buddy Tate !!!

 

Oh yes, agreed !

I saw Jay McShann in the mid 80´s I think, at Jazzland in Vienna. Very very fine to hear some Kansas City styled music. And at one point on the last set, the sicilian female blues singer Etta Scollo sat in for some blues vocals, it was very very nice and Mr. McShann also liked it.

I saw Buddy Tate around the same time in other surroundings. It was a Woody Herman All-Stars. That was the first time I saw Woody Herman without the Herd, just a smaller group. Buddy Tate, Al Cohn and Scott Hamilton were on tenor, I think it was Warren Vaché on trumpet, John Bunch on piano, a young unknown bass player (George Duvivier was scheduled but was sick, I think he died a few days later), and if I remember right, it was Jake Hanna on drums.

[jazzcorner]

Edited May 20, 2021 by jazzcorner

[mjazzg]

Sounds great so far, definite improvement on the CD, (which I've played several times this week) to my ears at least.  My copy has passed the 'Plantation Bag' test, thankfully.  Still two tracks to listen to though, so...fingers remain crossed.

The pricing is steep over here but if it means shops like Honest Jon's survive then I'll make that choice.  Lovely to purchase this over a counter in a real shop; it's been too long.

[mjazzg]

Billy Bang & Charles Tyler - Live at Green Space [Anima, 1982]

Bang's Anima releases would make a great boxset

[HutchFan]

9 hours ago, Gheorghe said:

Oh yes, agreed !

I saw Jay McShann in the mid 80´s I think, at Jazzland in Vienna. Very very fine to hear some Kansas City styled music. And at one point on the last set, the sicilian female blues singer Etta Scollo sat in for some blues vocals, it was very very nice and Mr. McShann also liked it.

I saw Buddy Tate around the same time in other surroundings. It was a Woody Herman All-Stars. That was the first time I saw Woody Herman without the Herd, just a smaller group. Buddy Tate, Al Cohn and Scott Hamilton were on tenor, I think it was Warren Vaché on trumpet, John Bunch on piano, a young unknown bass player (George Duvivier was scheduled but was sick, I think he died a few days later), and if I remember right, it was Jake Hanna on drums.

 

 

[jazzcorner]

 

 

[Rabshakeh]

5 hours ago, mjazzg said:

Billy Bang & Charles Tyler - Live at Green Space [Anima, 1982]

Bang's Anima releases would make a great boxset

I don’t know the Animas at all. Are there any you’d recommend in particular? 

the idea of a Tyler / Bang meet up sounds pretty intriguing.

[mjazzg]

17 minutes ago, Rabshakeh said:

I don’t know the Animas at all. Are there any you’d recommend in particular? 

the idea of a Tyler / Bang meet up sounds pretty intriguing.

My favourite is the one with John Lindberg. Great playing from both on that.

The one with Tyler is more austere than I had imagined but that's only after two listens. He plays on a couple of the Black Saint albums iirc

[clifford_thornton]

yeah, those are really fine duos. 

I guess I'll keep my Passing Ships CD.

[colinmce]

18 hours ago, Rabshakeh said:

I don’t know the Animas at all. Are there any you’d recommend in particular? 

the idea of a Tyler / Bang meet up sounds pretty intriguing.

NoBuisness released an excellent 2xCD that has the Anima date New York Collage paired with an unreleased session. Highly recommended.

Sweet Space and Untitled Gift are both great as well. Frank Lowe on the former, Don Cherry on the latter. They were released as a CD set in 2004, but you'd be better off searching for the original LPs as that one is very hard to come by. 

Edited May 21, 2021 by colinmce

[mjazzg]

29 minutes ago, colinmce said:

NoBuisness released an excellent 2xCD that has the Anima date New York Collage paired with an unreleased session. Highly recommended.

I didn't realise that, don't know how I missed it either.  Thanks for mentioning it. The 'New York Collage' goes for far more than the other LPs the last time I looked into it

2 hours ago, clifford_thornton said:

yeah, those are really fine duos. 

I guess I'll keep my Passing Ships CD.

My 'Passing Ships' LP is faultless and sounds great compared to the CD (but my TT is probably of higher quality than my CD player nowadays). So I guess if you're lucky in the Tone Poet lottery it's worth a go

Praed Orchestra - Live In Sharjah [Morphine Records, 2020]