HutchFan Posted April 19, 2021 Report Posted April 19, 2021 NP: José Roberto Bertrami - Blue Wave (Milestone, 1983) Quote
HutchFan Posted April 19, 2021 Report Posted April 19, 2021 John Scofield - Bar Talk (Novus, 1980) An early Sco' trio date with Steve Swallow & Adam Nussbaum Quote
JSngry Posted April 19, 2021 Report Posted April 19, 2021 Who was driving all that Brazilian talent to Milestone during this prriod? You're pulling buttloads of these records, only a very small # of which I haver ever seen, much less heard. Was this an Azymuth thing or what, who was hooking these people up? And to what extent was Orrin Keepnews involved? Producer, executive producer, , coffeeboy? Or was this a licensing thing only? Quote
HutchFan Posted April 20, 2021 Report Posted April 20, 2021 (edited) 47 minutes ago, JSngry said: Who was driving all that Brazilian talent to Milestone during this prriod? You're pulling buttloads of these records, only a very small # of which I haver ever seen, much less heard. Was this an Azymuth thing or what, who was hooking these people up? And to what extent was Orrin Keepnews involved? Producer, executive producer, , coffeeboy? Or was this a licensing thing only? From what I can gather, it was Flora and Airto hooking Brazilian jazz musicians up with Milestone. Presumably since Flora already had a relationship with the label. Plus, I'm sure that Airto's and Flora's success in the U.S. market inspired many Brazilian jazz musicians to come north to the U.S. Think about it: Opa (mostly guys from Airto's "Fingers" band; although they were mostly from Uruguay, not Brazil). Azymuth (and the solo records by Azymuth band members: Jose Roberto Bertrami, Ivan Conti & Alex Malheiros). Claudio Roditi. Some really good musicians there. I don't think Keepnews had anything to do with these later Brazilian records, post-Flora. The LPs by musician I've listed above were not licensing deals -- but Milestone did license some guitar records by Baden Powell and Túlio Mourão (and maybe some others) from indie Brazilian labels. And the Roberthino Silva record with Wayne was licensed from CBS Brazil. I suppose that's how Silva got Wayne to play on the one cut. Viva Brasil, bebê! By the way, I think there's a book waiting to be written on the interaction between Brazilian music and jazz, beginning with Airto and Flora (circa 1970 or so) and up 'til the present. The whole bossa thing has been covered. I'm not talking about that. Here's why I think a book makes sense: I believe you could easily make an argument that Airto's and Flora's impact on jazz has been WAY overlooked. Think about it: Aside from Airto, NO ONE ELSE performed with Miles, Weather Report, AND Return to Forever. And, while Airto & Flora's impact may have waned a bit in the second half of the 70s, they again began exerting influence as Brazilian/jazz fusion(s) became a thing again in the 1980s. Along with the stuff above, think about the impact of George Duke's Brazilian Love Affair. Airto and Flora were right there, and that launched even more Brazilian Jazz fusions. ... So I think there's an interesting book in there somewhere, even though no one has picked up on it yet. Edited April 20, 2021 by HutchFan Quote
JSngry Posted April 20, 2021 Report Posted April 20, 2021 No Raul de Souza connections then? Or was this a different circle altogether? Maybe he was older? I think it would be great that Airto/ Flora kept bringing people in to a smaller label once they themselves had moved up the ladder. Like I said, most of these records were invisible to me at the time, or to the extent I saw them just assumed they were some kind of Fuzaky crossover crap. But apparently not. Bottom line is that they got made, and you can't unmake a record! Networking is kinda the untold story of music. Kinda. Everybody sees what's obvious in it, but inevitably it runs deeper than the obvious. So this many records by this many different people...wow! Quote
HutchFan Posted April 20, 2021 Report Posted April 20, 2021 (edited) 39 minutes ago, JSngry said: No Raul de Souza connections then? Or was this a different circle altogether? Maybe he was older? I forgot to mention him! That was Airto too! Airto produced Colors for Milestone. And that record is really, really good, especially the cuts with Arthur Blythe. I should have included it in my 70s jazz survey. 39 minutes ago, JSngry said: I think it would be great that Airto/ Flora kept bringing people in to a smaller label once they themselves had moved up the ladder. Like I said, most of these records were invisible to me at the time, or to the extent I saw them just assumed they were some kind of Fuzaky crossover crap. But apparently not. Bottom line is that they got made, and you can't unmake a record! Networking is kinda the untold story of music. Kinda. Everybody sees what's obvious in it, but inevitably it runs deeper than the obvious. So this many records by this many different people...wow! Yep. It's been a gas digging into all this stuff for my 80s Jazz project. I've been an Airto & Flora fan for a long time -- but their influence was much bigger than I'd realized. EDIT: I also forgot to mention that it was Airto who hooked Hermeto Pascoal up with Miles. Hermeto and Airto had played together in Brazil (in the Sambrasa Trio and Quarteto Novo), so when Hermeto came to the U.S. circa 1970, Airto introduced Hermeto to Miles. That's how Hermeto got to play on Live Evil. Another ripple in the pond prompted by Airto. Edited April 20, 2021 by HutchFan Quote
JSngry Posted April 20, 2021 Report Posted April 20, 2021 3 minutes ago, HutchFan said: I forgot to mention him! That was Airto too! Airto produced Colors for Milestone. Ok, so who put de Souza together with Sonny? That's a story I don't know I'm ve heard yet And where does George Duke factor into this, if anywhere? Him & Airto go back to Cannonball, and...see, this networking thing, it fascinates me...making the music once people get together is in some way the easier part. Getting in there to even be there, that's the crazy part! Oh hell, George Duke was on Nucleus, duh! Quote
HutchFan Posted April 20, 2021 Report Posted April 20, 2021 1 minute ago, JSngry said: Ok, so who put de Souza together with Sonny? That's a story I don't know I'm ve heard yet And where does George Duke factor into this, if anywhere? Him & Airto go back to Cannonball, and...see, this networking thing, it fascinates me...making the music once people get together is in some way the easier part. Getting in there to even be there, that's the crazy part! I don't know how de Souza got hooked up with Sonny. Maybe because they were both on Milestone? That's just a guess on my part. The George Duke connection is easier. Duke played on several of Flora's records, beginning with the first, Butterfly Dreams. Airto, Flora, and Cannonball were all friends and hung out together. I've been reading a book about Brazilian music, and there's a really cool picture of Cannonball, Flora, and Airto. Flora's chatting with Cannon, and Airto's flexing his muscles behind them, mugging for the camera. Quote
JSngry Posted April 20, 2021 Report Posted April 20, 2021 + Walter Booker, his wife Maia, singing on Super Nova...and then Duke Pearson, producer of that, using Flora...it just goes and grows.. Quote
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted April 20, 2021 Report Posted April 20, 2021 just blasted 2 hours of Brunswick 78's 1927-1929 via iphone/archive.org to the 1928 Brunswick 5KR....check out the "0-100" dial Quote
HutchFan Posted April 20, 2021 Report Posted April 20, 2021 1 minute ago, JSngry said: + Walter Booker, his wife Maia, singing on Super Nova...and then Duke Pearson, producer of that, using Flora...it just goes and grows.. Yes sir! Quote
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted April 20, 2021 Report Posted April 20, 2021 1928 Brunswick 5KR Quote
HutchFan Posted April 20, 2021 Report Posted April 20, 2021 Egberto Gismonti & Academia De Danças - Sanfona (ECM, 1981) LP 1 of 2 - quartet with Mauro Senise (as, ss, fl); Zeca Assumpção (b); Nenê (d, perc) Quote
Big Beat Steve Posted April 20, 2021 Report Posted April 20, 2021 23 hours ago, Dan Gould said: There was a time that I bought so far into the Blue Note mythology that it outright pissed me off to see the BN insignia on reissues from labels I knew didn't have any connection at the time of original issue. Like Stan Kenton's Capitol albums from the 50s. That happened in the CD era. Quote
Dan Gould Posted April 20, 2021 Report Posted April 20, 2021 3 minutes ago, Big Beat Steve said: Like Stan Kenton's Capitol albums from the 50s. That happened in the CD era. Not being a Kentonite I had no idea, but that would have actually pissed me the f*ck off, had I seen it. Quote
Big Beat Steve Posted April 20, 2021 Report Posted April 20, 2021 I do like a fair bit of the Kenton output but I was baffled too when I saw that at a local 2nd hand record clearance sale but (IIRC it's the "Stan Kenton in Hi-Fi" album with bonus tracks) but it's a nice item for the car CD player (though the label does keep amusing me even now, not so much about what the jazz world would have been like if Kenton had actually been a BN artist but about to what marketing lengths and idiocies some label image marketers go ). Quote
HutchFan Posted April 20, 2021 Report Posted April 20, 2021 Enrico Rava Quintet - Andanada (Soul Note, 1983) Quote
jazzcorner Posted April 21, 2021 Report Posted April 21, 2021 11 hours ago, Big Beat Steve said: I do like a fair bit of the Kenton output but I was baffled too when I saw that at a local 2nd hand record clearance sale but (IIRC it's the "Stan Kenton in Hi-Fi" album with bonus tracks) but it's a nice item for the car CD player (though the label does keep amusing me even now, not so much about what the jazz world would have been like if Kenton had actually been a BN artist but about to what marketing lengths and idiocies some label image marketers go ). What are the bonus tracks? Thanks Quote
Gheorghe Posted April 21, 2021 Report Posted April 21, 2021 On 19.4.2021 at 11:27 PM, jazzcorner said: Great, the only one with Sam Rivers. Quote
mjazzg Posted April 23, 2021 Report Posted April 23, 2021 This is a great album with some resonances of the Hermeto above, unexpectedly Quote
HutchFan Posted April 23, 2021 Report Posted April 23, 2021 5 hours ago, mjazzg said: thanks HutchFan You're welcome !!! Quote
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