clifford_thornton Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 Not a fan of Lanquidity myself. Cosmos was on Cobra originally, right? I don't have that one. The Horos are great, though I've never actually owned them (or been willing to pay the price to). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
analogak Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 actually i sold lanquidity a long time ago. when it comes to music i really like style-wise (like lanquidity), i tend to be a tougher listener. i am not sure why i like strange celestial road better. i have soured on disco 3000, actually. i would have preferred the original album with less music. as a double disc set it doesn't hold up for me. i wanted more of the crumar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewHill Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 Opinions on this one? I can snap it up for about $30. How's the lecture? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blake Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 Opinions on this one? I can snap it up for about $30. How's the lecture? I wouldn't pay anywhere near $30 for this... unless you're completist and have everything else the money could be better spent on other Ra items - there's so much being issued and re-issued at the moment. The music disc is solid. But the lecture is the kind of thing you'll listen to once and never again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blake Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 I'll add my kudos for the ArtYard re-issue of Disco 3000 - very nicely done. I can't wait for them to release the others... those small group recording from Italy (Disco 3000, Media Dreams, and New Steps (which isn't on the reiisue list)) are amongst my favorite Ra and On Jupiter is excellent. It'll be nice to retire the LP dubs of these I've been living with for years. Has anyone picked up the Transparency "Live At The Horseshoe Tavern" CD-R box set yet? ...any thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
analogak Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 new steps isn't as good as other voices, other blues, imo. sorta boring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
analogak Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 though i love the use of the crumar in the quartet setting. sun ra was doing some nice basslines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 I'll add my kudos for the ArtYard re-issue of Disco 3000 - very nicely done. I can't wait for them to release the others... those small group recording from Italy (Disco 3000, Media Dreams, and New Steps (which isn't on the reiisue list)) are amongst my favorite Ra and On Jupiter is excellent. It'll be nice to retire the LP dubs of these I've been living with for years. Has anyone picked up the Transparency "Live At The Horseshoe Tavern" CD-R box set yet? ...any thoughts? I got the Horsehoe Tavern box Saturday in the mail. Sound is nice. You'll like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Garrett Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 I'll add my kudos for the ArtYard re-issue of Disco 3000 - very nicely done. I can't wait for them to release the others... those small group recording from Italy (Disco 3000, Media Dreams, and New Steps (which isn't on the reiisue list)) are amongst my favorite Ra and On Jupiter is excellent. It'll be nice to retire the LP dubs of these I've been living with for years. Has anyone picked up the Transparency "Live At The Horseshoe Tavern" CD-R box set yet? ...any thoughts? I got the Horsehoe Tavern box Saturday in the mail. Sound is nice. You'll like it. Is the Detroit Jazz Center Residency box still available? And are y'all getting these sets directly from Transparency, or through third-party vendors? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 I don't know if the Detroit box is still available. . . I would email Transparency and ask: transparency2008@yahoo.com I have gotten all the Transparency releases, and all of them through Transparency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jostber Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 What do you think is the best Transparency release? What about this? Do you have a cover for the Horseshoe Tavern CD box? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 (edited) I don't have nor have I really looked for a digital image anywhere of the Horsehow cover; it comes in a black binder that has cdrs in sleves two ring bound, with a color photograph on the front. No booklet for this. The two discs I've listened to are both "one track discs," i.e. no indexing of titles. Which is okay with me. Disc ten is an interview disc. As disconcerting as I find his interviews, I may skip that one! I think Vol. 4 is very good, and I also really like Vol. 1's music. Edited January 29, 2008 by jazzbo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srellek Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 I'll add my kudos for the ArtYard re-issue of Disco 3000 - very nicely done. I can't wait for them to release the others... those small group recording from Italy (Disco 3000, Media Dreams, and New Steps (which isn't on the reiisue list)) are amongst my favorite Ra and On Jupiter is excellent. It'll be nice to retire the LP dubs of these I've been living with for years. Has anyone picked up the Transparency "Live At The Horseshoe Tavern" CD-R box set yet? ...any thoughts? I got the Horsehoe Tavern box Saturday in the mail. Sound is nice. You'll like it. Is the Detroit Jazz Center Residency box still available? And are y'all getting these sets directly from Transparency, or through third-party vendors? blake: I'm with you, Disco 3000 is pure pleasure. I got my Horseshoe set yesterday and have been listening to it today. I think both the audio and musical quality are excellent. Lon is right, there is no book or song listing. But on the first three discs (as far as I've gotten) there are versions of (as best as I can tell): Discipline 27 Calling Planet Earth (a blistering) Take the "A" Train Love in Outer Space King Porter Stomp I'll Wait for You Stardust from Tomorrow Springtime Outerspaceways Inc. We Travel the Spaceways ...among others I particularly like Sonny's little snippet of "As Time Goes By" on a very stream of consciousness (but then what Ra isn't) "I'll Wait for You". The band personnel seems pretty standard for the time: Gilmore, Allen, Thompson, Michael Ray, June Tyson, Eloe Omoe. Luqman Ali, etc. with a conga player. There's a really nice vibe on these discs: joyful, relaxed, fun. I've really enjoyed what I've listened to so far... I ordered this directly from Transparency. I also ordered the Detroit set from them as well, almost a month ago now, but haven't received it. I emailed Michael to check on the status of that but never got a response. The few people I've spoken to about it seem to think there was some kind of production glitch in the second batch of the 28-cdr set and that more are coming soon. Chuck at DMG said they are supposed to get a bunch more. If anyone has any more info on this, please post. Best, Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 Welcome! Good way to start off yr relationship with the board, in the Sun Ra thread! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewHill Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 What do you think is the best Transparency release? What about this? I found this one used a couple of weeks ago. I like it. Supposedly the tapes were mis-labled as a concert in Mexico in '74, but they are actually rehearsal tapes. By and large the music is intereseting, but there is the occasional tuning, talking and stopping mid-song, but there are several instances where the tunes will go on for 7-10 mins at a time. Not essential but worth it for a decent price. I think there are 4 or 5 2cd volumes in the series as of now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blake Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 (edited) What's the verdict on the legitimacy of the Lost Reel series? I ask because they've apparently been branded as boots and have popped up on at least one trading site. Edited January 30, 2008 by blake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srellek Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 What's the verdict on the legitimacy of the Lost Reel series? I ask because they've apparently been branded as boots and have popped up on at least one trading site. My understanding is that the Transparency sets do pay royalties to Marshall Allen (and maybe others). Not sure about the Lost Reel series specifically. But my take on these issues of legitimacy is this: First is __________(insert title here) available from another, "legitimate" source. In the case of some of our Andorran friends' work the answer is yes and I try to seek out other, proper releases. Second, is there a reasonable chance __________(insert title here) will/might otherwise be released. Now that we're down to almost one record company the answer to that question is increasingly no. In those cases, the music lover in me overpowers any other rational arguments and it becomes about the music -- listening to it, appreciating it, sharing it, having it out there for those few others who are also appreciating and listening. As unfair as it may be, it would seem better to have the music out there (even if no royalties are being paid) than to have the music not out there with still no royalties being paid. And maybe there is a kind of interest in the music that carries over into the enthusiasm for (and purchase of) those other "legitimate" releases by a particular artist. Again, I don't say this is fair. The omniverse ain't fair. But I look at it this way, in the case of an outfit like Transparency, is this really a way to exploit or make a quick buck? Finding/remastering/packaging/selling obscure (even by Ra standards!) videos, music, concerts, lectures, etc. cannot be thought of as the road to riches. Be smarter to buy a bridge or start a war somewhere. This is material that would NEVER otherwise see the light of day. With the aforementioned Monolith Records Corp ascending this is only going to get worse. I think the guerilla (or gorilla, if you like) approach is going to be the way of the future for those of us who may be comfortable with MP3s but still need that physical object and nothing else will do. Yet one more way Sonny was light years ahead of the game... And clifford, thanks for the kind words... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blake Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 Good way to start off yr relationship with the board, in the Sun Ra thread! One post in and you've already managed to do your part to stimulate the economy… OK, I was going to buy the Horseshoe set anyway but you did manage to further whet my appetite. My understanding is that the Transparency sets do pay royalties to Marshall Allen (and maybe others). Not sure about the Lost Reel series specifically. I seem to recall seeing somewhere that Transparency's CD-R sets were done in collaboration with Marshall Allen but maybe I'm thinking of the Art Yard re-issues instead. As for the Lost Reel series I really am just curious. If royalties are being paid to the El Saturn folks then I'll advise the trading site that has approved their distribution as boots that they need to remove them. If not, then let the downloaders eat cake. Either way it isn't likely to impact my decision to purchase any of these releases in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalupa Posted January 31, 2008 Report Share Posted January 31, 2008 Good way to start off yr relationship with the board, in the Sun Ra thread! One post in and you've already managed to do your part to stimulate the economy… OK, I was going to buy the Horseshoe set anyway but you did manage to further whet my appetite. My understanding is that the Transparency sets do pay royalties to Marshall Allen (and maybe others). Not sure about the Lost Reel series specifically. I seem to recall seeing somewhere that Transparency's CD-R sets were done in collaboration with Marshall Allen but maybe I'm thinking of the Art Yard re-issues instead. As for the Lost Reel series I really am just curious. If royalties are being paid to the El Saturn folks then I'll advise the trading site that has approved their distribution as boots that they need to remove them. If not, then let the downloaders eat cake. Either way it isn't likely to impact my decision to purchase any of these releases in the future. FWIW..... According to this site Transparency is NOT a bootleg outfit..... http://video.aol.com/video-detail/sun-ra-o...1987/4180997442 (Scroll down to the bottom) IMPORTANT NOTE: TRANSPARENCY works directly with the Arkestra's management, so a percentage from their DVD sales ACTUALLY GOES TO THE SUN-RA ARKESTRA, unlike many of the DVD providers of their material! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewHill Posted February 1, 2008 Report Share Posted February 1, 2008 (edited) So I picked up the Freedom box set today and I am quite pleased that contrary to the Amazon reviews, the sound is of pretty decent quality. Needless to say the music is fantastic. I really find Sun Ra's transitional music of the mid to late '60- early '70's pretty interesting. FWIW, I did not know that Pat Patrick doubled on electric bass, at least that's what the liners say for the 12/71 set. Edited February 1, 2008 by Holy Ghost Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewHill Posted February 1, 2008 Report Share Posted February 1, 2008 I also noticed that the production credits on Concert for the Comet Kohoutek is Joe Phillips. Would that be the same Joe Phillips on Norman Howard's Burn Baby Burn? Calling Clifford :rsmile: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted February 1, 2008 Report Share Posted February 1, 2008 Ah shit, I'd have to look that up. I suspect not, because he was going by the Muslim name Yusef Mumin until recently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jostber Posted February 1, 2008 Report Share Posted February 1, 2008 Sound Sun Pleasure Holiday for Soul Dance Super-Sonic Jazz Jazz In Silhouette Languidity Greatest Hits Stay Awake - "pink elephants..." Question: The tune "Where Pathways Meet" on Languidity seems the odd duck of the Sun Ra I own and I dig dat duck. Any recs as to cuts or albums that have the overt skwank and funk reminiscent of them elephants enjoying a slurp at a late night watering hole? Seems I'm missing some essential mid seventies for this sound. That's a great song, one of my favourites too. An album that really grooves is "On Jupiter". It will be released by ArtYard in a 2 CD-version: http://www.dustygroove.com/item.php?id=dwr...ef=upcoming.php Now it's available on vinyl: http://www.boomkat.com/item.cfm?id=37847 And that "Intergalactic Motion" on this set(also on the previously mentioned 3 disc set) is a real groover! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srellek Posted February 1, 2008 Report Share Posted February 1, 2008 So I picked up the Freedom box set today and I am quite pleased that contrary to the Amazon reviews, the sound is of pretty decent quality. Needless to say the music is fantastic. I really find Sun Ra's transitional music of the mid to late '60- early '70's pretty interesting. FWIW, I did not know that Pat Patrick doubled on electric bass, at least that's what the liners say for the 12/71 set. Good move, Ghost. SONG OF THE SPARER on the first disc is a real favorite of mine... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted February 1, 2008 Report Share Posted February 1, 2008 not trying to cause trouble, but is there anyone else here who, when listening to Sun Ra, after, say, 1965, can almost never get through an entire track? my mind wanders to another place, let us say, as I listen (to the land of boredom?) - love his piano playing, by the way, and have the Bley-produced solo album - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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