shrugs- whats your shatchkovitch avatar

[Guest ariceffron]

do u have a link to a larger version i could see

[couw]

Age of Gold/Symphony Nr 1.

more info

[Claude]

"shatchkovitch"´s name is a nightmare from a record collector´s point of view. "Shostakovich" in English, "Schostakowitsch" in german and "chostakovich" in French (filed under C)

Edited May 11, 2004 by Claude

[Man with the Golden Arm]

...and then in Japan they go and put it under "D".

[Rooster_Ties]

Дмитрий Шостакович

Where's the confusion??

[rachel]

"Shatch Kovitch" sounds like a Russian trumpet player.

[John L]

Shostakovich (or Chostakovich) makes more sense than Tchaikovsky. Where did the "T" come from? There is no T (sound or letter) in the Russian word.

It must have come from the same transliterator who transliterated Chekhov as Tchekhoff.

Edited May 11, 2004 by John L

[maren]

Shostakovich (or Chostakovich) makes more sense than Tchaikovsky. Where did the "T" come from? There is no T (sound or letter) in the Russian word.

It must have come from the same transliterator who transliterated Chekhov as Tchekhoff.

I'm about to get all nerdy on you, John! But I'm guessing it's a French-based transliteration device (especially given the whole French-Russian connection: arts, royalty, Faberge eggs, ballet, L'Hermitage, etc.)

Because if Shostakovich is Chostakovich in French (the French "ch" is an English "sh": "chef" "choucroute" "chevalier") -- then how, in French, do you indicate what English speakers think of as a "ch" sound? It's harder at the start, a little explosive: position your tongue to say "t" but finish it off with "sh":

"tsharlie parker"

"tshet baker"

"get me to the tshurtsh on time"

[Claude]

In french, the "tsh" sound at the beginning of a word doesn't exist.

Even the english names Charlie and Chet are usually pronounced with a soft "sh" by french speakers.

[brownie]

In France, Tchaikovsky is definetely 'tsh'. Same for Chekhov.

But Shostakovich is 'sh'.

Charlie (Parker of Mingus) is 'sh.

Chet Baker is 'tsh'.

Cha Cha Cha is 'tsh'

There's a new cyberword now 'Tchat', the French version of chat... a firm 'tsch' word.

French people don't stick to rules...

[Rooster_Ties]

Speaking as a vocalist (more specifically, as a choral singer), French is my single LEAST favorite of all the languages to sing in.

I'm not saying that there isn't some amazing vocal/choral music written in French (cuz there is!!). But it's always a bitch to figure out and perform.

[John L]

Maren: That makes quite logical sense, especially considering what Brownie has added. I never thought of that before!

In Russian, there are three different leters for "sh", "shch", and "ch." Shostakovich begins with "sh." Tchaikovsky begins with "ch," Saltykov-Shchedrin uses a "shch."

[Rooster_Ties]

People always think Russian is such a difficult language to learn, because of the alphabet being different and all. But frankly, once you get past learning the Russian alphabet, it's really not that difficult a language at all. The grammar rules are VERY regular, with only a moderate number of exceptions (unlike Spanish, for instance).

The other problem with Spanish is that there are something like 15 different verb tenses (unlike only 5 in Russian). And there are something like 143 irregular verbs in Spanish (which are irregular across all 15 tenses!!!), where there are only maybe 20 truly irregular verbs in Russian (and only across 5 tenses), and even then - the Russian irregular verbs follow similar patterns -- at least as far as I can remember.

Grammatically speaking, I always found Russian to be much easier than Spanish.

Of course I haven't studied either for over 15 years, so I've pretty much forgotten all the Spanish and Russian I learned in high school, and later in college.

[couw]

throw some German transliteration in there and you're almost done...

[John L]

Technically, Russian has only 3 tenses. But I imagine that you are implicitly counting the the different uses of verbal aspect as tenses.

[Jazzmoose]

do u have a link to a larger version i could see

Don't do it, shrugs! Then he'll want to show you his...

[Rooster_Ties]

Technically, Russian has only 3 tenses.  But I imagine that you are implicitly counting the the different uses of verbal aspect as tenses.

Yes. Same thing with the "15 tenses" I mentioned in Spanish.

Let's just put it this way. There probably aren't many books that exclusively cover mastering Russian verb tenses.

[Spontooneous]

Nobody mentioned my favorite transliteration of "shatchkovitch."

On the RCA Red Seal 78 rpm album of the Sixth Symphony, conducted by Leopold Stokowski, the composer's name is given as "Szostakowicz."

I guess Stokowski liked that Polish-leaning spelling.

[Rooster_Ties]

Then there's the transliteration I once saw of Schubert, for people who have a lisp...

I kid you not, on the spine of the jewel-box, it said "Schuberth".

[Chuck Nessa]

In the '70s I worked for a classical label and the art director brought in a "first draft" of an album cover with the name Shostacockavich.

[maren]

In the '70s I worked for a classical label and the art director brought in a "first draft" of an album cover with the name Shostacockavich.