porcy62

Thanks. I am thinking it could depends of the playback system they have at the time, that probably lacked "dinamic", or "punch" compared to today's system, so the mastering engineers "pushed up the volume".

This is not a jazz comparison, but I like to know if my opinion could worths as well for BN originals/reissues Lp, that I didn't own. I have a UK first pressing of Led Zeppelin II and the Classic reissue. I noted a "philosophical difference" between the Lp, the Classic leans toward definition, I can hear the hand of Jimmy Page sliding on the guitar, but it lacks the punch of the original. I am not saying it lacks dinamic, but... Do you have the same impressions with BN?

Greatly reccomended!! To my ears trumpet sound is considerably better on vinyl, less "icy" than cd, but the last Columbia Boxes I heard (BB, OTSW, Blackhawk) sound better than the early ones (Evans, Quintet). Maybe you can loose some "definition" that is not always a bad thing (loosing "high end" sound I mean)!

Sorry guys, it seems I opened the pandora's box of your worst nightmare!! I agree with Dimitri, at least in my system the Lps sounds usually better anyway. I compared the Zappa's vinyls issued in the boxes "the old masters" in mid eighties (digitally remastered by FZ) with the cds (digitally remastered and remixed by FZ just before Frank's death). The Lps are better in my opinion. I compared also some of the first pressing promo copies I have from Zappa's own collection (all analog) and they sound different (usually better, but not always). Even the "digitally recorded" ECM Lps sound better than cds. I was asking myself if to upgrade my Mosaic cd with Mosaic Lp worth the money, an analog master was a good point.

I started to buy some Mosaic Lp sets, assuming they come from analog masters, but I discovered in the Classic Records Inc' topic that the Nichols set is: "Digital transfers: Ron McMaster". I have the Candid Mingus set and is "mastered by RVG" as stamped on dead wax, the word "digital" did not compare in any place on the booklet. I am not paranoid about digital, I do have cds and I do listen to them (sometimes), but because of the price's big difference from Lp and Cd sets I would like to know for what I throw my money. May you check your sets and submit some information about it? It will be greatly appreciated.

I followed your suggestions. Check eBay auctions, popsike and used record store on the web. I discover the following things: 1 the average price for a cd set is between 30and 50 dollars per cd 2 the average price for an Lp set is between 50 and 100 dollars per Lp for a 5/8 Lp/cd set, higher price for smaller set, lower prices for bigger. Prices also depends on grading and rarities: if the music is out of print and available only on Mosaic, like Giuffre or Lewis/Jones. Wolf, it will be a long and expensive way to get all those Lps!!!

Your post makes sense, the records collecting market would follow the market rules, the rarest the most expensive, but since I follow Ebay and used records store, I started to have doubts about it. It would be very interesting to know how many copies of Mosaic sets, cd and Lp, are turning around the world.

That's what I thought. I didn't do any research about the different value between cd and Lp because The Ebay prices are, let's say "bizarre", but as Wolf as pointed out, I could add a difference and the shipping cost. If anyone is interested make an offer

I decided to swap my CD Mosaic sets with the same Lp sets. Because I am not a dealer, I would like to avoid the hell of Ebay craziness, paypal fees, etc., so I try here. Some information: All my sets are Mint/Near Mint, a part minor damages on some boxes, I am expecting the same condition for Lp. I live in Italy so consider the cost of shipping, at least 15 bucks from USA. I will swop them at the same price, that means you have to spend the shipping cost as I. Here there is the list of sets: #124 The Complete Blue Note Recordings of Freddie Redd #130 The Complete Recordings of T-Bone Walker 1940-1954 #141 The Complete Blue Note Recordings of Art Blakey's 1960 Jazz Messengers #150 The Complete Blue Note 1964-66 Jackie McLean Sessions #151 The Complete Solid State Recordings of the Thad Jones/Mel Lewis Orchestra #161 - The Complete Blue Note Andrew Hill Sessions (1963-66) #162 The Complete Blue Note Lee Morgan Fifties Sessions #166 The Complete Blue Note/UA Curtis Fuller Sessions #167 The Complete Blue Note Sam Rivers Sessions #169 The Complete Columbia J.J. Johnson Small Group Sessions #172 The Complete Blue Note/UA/Roulette Recordings of Thad Jones #174 The Complete Atlantic Recordings of Lennie Tristano, Lee Konitz & Warne Marsh #175 The Complete Pacific Jazz Recordings of the Chico Hamilton Quintet #178 The Complete Blue Note Blue Mitchell Sessions (1963-67) Any suggestions are welcome!!

No, you're not! I buy every reissues I could find and am interested for, from jazz to classic rock. The Classics are not overpriced IMO, compared to the used originals on Ebay, and sound good, but I do not have the very first deep grovve pressing to test!! I found the Analogue Production of Fantasy, Riverside and Prestige lp pretty good. Did you own some OJC? How is the sound quality? For 10 bucks they sound like a bargain in these times!

Because I am a hard core fanatic of FZ I bought at http://storesense01.dynamic.net/zappa/Sear...+Vaultage+Vinyl at http://www.zappa.com all the vinyl I could find, most of them are pristine first pressing promo copy, (not white label) owned by Zappa itself; (am I getting fetichist?) I testify I am not related with these guys, this is not an advertising, just an advise if you are interested about FZ stuff , maybe a bit pricey... One advise: I don't know if I were unlucky, maybe the international shipping, or the big box, or the CC, but it tooks to me several MONTHS to get the Lps, their customers service are not the best I found in my life, they are friendly but hugely slow...So if you buy from them be prepared to spend some times on the phone. GOOD LUCK!! "DON'T FORGET TO REGISTER TO VOTE" FZ

I hope you will do it after the summer holydays, because I will out for a while. BTW what I looking for are titles of 60's of Andrew Hill, Ornette, McLean, Rivers, Taylor, etc, that kind of stuff , anyway I will appreciate any BN Lp

Thanks to all!! What I got from your replies is very useful. From my point of view the Classic and Japan reissues are easier (new and used), because I have to buy them on internet, e-shop or ebay, in Italy BN Lp disappear from used record store ten years ago and never reappear!! As someone as pointed out a 35 years old Liberty is hard to find in good condition, (and you find them on Ebay and it will be costly anyway, because of shipping, between 10 and 15 dollars for a single Lp), I bought on Ebay several Lps, mostly classic rock, and "near mint" has a very broad meaning!! There is no point buying a Liberty on Ebay for $ 20 risking $ 30 for shipping it back! From this point of view a $ 300 deep groove first pressing etc... would make more sense. On the other hand e-shops usually graded their Lps correctly and you can spare shipping cost buying more Lps but they have mostly so called "audiophile" Lp. In my experience used audiophile Lps are in better condition. What I will probably do after the summer holydays is trying to change my Mosaic cd sets with the same Lp set. porcy62

I own most of Blue Note titles on cds, Mosaic included, and I own some late seventie's european Lp pressings. I would like to collect some of them on vinyl, but where to start? Original deep grooves or first pressing are usually too expensive for my pocket. I noted japan pressings are cheaper, or Conn's, or Direct Metal Mastering, or some BN regular reissues, but american or european pressing, are they so differents? I followed also the Classic reissues forum. There is some BN's lucky owner, or expert, that can give me some good and moderatly cheap suggestions? I will appreciate. porcy62

It's not the British league, but the English Premiership. Sorry for the mistake!!! I could say the same about italian league: we call it SERIE A, anyway if you wish understand my poor english... I will remember it when a dutch tourist ask for the Colosseo...(in English, of course) B) I hear you. What I meant to say is, that people are often talking about England when they mean Great Britain (which also includes Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, of course) and the other way around. I also meant to say that there is no British League, just an English League (in fact there are two, the Premiership and the Football League), a Scottish Premier League, a Welsh League and a Northern Irish League. By the way, your English is OK as far as I'm concerned. I knew it, but sometimes you forgot the difference, maybe is my poor english that we, all no ENGLISH-language-born have to study to communicate... BTW I lived in England for a couple of years, and I travelled through Scotland, Cornowall and Wales and I remember they teach you the difference...

It's not the British league, but the English Premiership. Sorry for the mistake!!! I could say the same about italian league: we call it SERIE A, anyway if you wish understand my poor english... I will remember it when a dutch, (or english, scottish...) tourist ask for the Colosseo...(in English, of course) B)

Did anybody note that the four richest League, British, Spanish, Italian and German, are out of the semifinal? Something to think about...

not at all!!! i love your country and the italian people. on the football side, Italy is the opposite of my understanding about this sport. they play defensively all the time and i hate this. maybe Marcelo Lippi will change my point of view Marcus The italian team and Trapattoni had what they deserve: half time with Sweden is not enough to pass !! No one here in Italy, nor people or newspapers said that we were out because of the Sweden/Denmark combine, only for our faults. Nobody is mourning over Denmark/ Sweden match, but over the italian dreadful team. Maybe foreign newspapers stressed on the combine, but is not true, at least not in Italy. Personally, I think we have to change all the football system here, there are investigations about the false budget of big teams like Roma, Lazio, Parma. In general we have two leagues here, one of the rich teams like Juventus, Milan, Roma, Inter, Lazio, Parma and one of the others. Big teams bought players just to park them as long terms substitute, in such way they steal good players to lower budget teams, and, yes, we have to much foreign players. It's difficult to emerge for a young italian player in such way. Marcello Lippi is a good coach, we will see. One thing about our defense oriented mentality. Do you remeber Brasil-Italy in 1982? The brasilian wonder team, Zico, Socrates, Falcao, Junior, Cerezo, lost the game because of a totally offense mentality, and we won the cup. On the other side in Usa we reached the final with Sacchi as coach, a offense mentality man, and we lost the cup. BTW Brasil coaches have learn a lot from the defeat of 1982. Every great team must have a strong defense to gain. If you followed the years of Sacchi's and Capello's Ac Milan, when they gained several champion cups, they were offense oriented with players like Gullit and Van Basten, but they had Maldini and Baresi on backside. The point is: you can't score one and wait (this is the mentality we have to change), if you are superior you have to lead the whole match, but if your defense is weak you will loose. B)

I am just curious: Is there something personal in your hate against italians?

Just to inform all mosaic's fans I received this mail from Mosaic: Hi Daniele There's never a problem with replacing a damaged Mosaic disc. I've got your address below and tom'w I'll send to you Disc II of the V/L without charge. Hope you're enjoying the rest of the music!! Best scott Mosaic's Legendary Customer Service!!!!

I broke cd 2 of the venuti/lang set, what can I do now, a part blame myself and cut my right hand? I don't want to buy another set, and I don't know anybody who can burn this cd for me. I wrote to Mosaic but I had no answer....

A pristine Promo copy of Lou Reed's "Rock'n roll Heart" that jumps out of my loudspeakers right now!! 7,50 euros P.S. Anyone interested in a cd copy? B)

I agree with Kevin, today's cd players deliver great sound compared to old ones, that is a problem for me, I could find great used power amps, preamps and loudspeakers at a reasonable price, but no good sounding used cd players, digital technology is running to fast. If I were you I would check single box cd players between 2000 and 3500 dollars, if it's in your budget. For more than that I would buy the Lynn Unidisk 2.1 (6900 euros in Italy). P.S. A friend of mine has a Naim CD5, a real good sounding gear.

The main problems with a separate combo is the digital connection and the matching with two different gear, as usual in Hi End, I do not like separates because you have to test a lot of gears and digital cables until you find the combination you like. The risk is introduce jitter and clock problems. Separates are usually good when they come from a single constructor, the project is optimized, sometimes they add a connection for sincronize the transport and DAC. I would not risk 3000 bucks on a different brand. Did you already consider a real universal player, SACD,CD,DVD? My suggestions, as Lynn lover (and vinyl guy), is listen to Lynn Ikemi Cd player and the new Lynn Unidisk, you will not be disappointed.

I own an eMac and I found it pretty adeguate for my need, UNTIL NOW, but as someone as pointed out the new software require more powerful computer. Since I installed the last version of microsoft office I wasn't able to work with two or three programs at the same time as before, so I bought a powerbook Titanium, is it expensive, but with a dvd and a big screen life is easier for me now. and, if you care about industrial design, it's gorgeus.