clifford_thornton

I'm a big fan of Ghetto Music but never really got around to the second LP. I remember the songs being a lot shorter and more radio-friendly, like a bizarro Duke Pearson record from the same period.

Energy, action, and motion.

The artists, as I understand it, weren't ripped off - they were paid a small amount for recording, with small royalties against what sold, as with most independent labels. Apparently, some major distributors did rip off ESP by altering sales to 'lost shipments' and consequently some royalties were lost that way. There are some people like Sunny Murray who clamor on and on about getting ripped off because his lone session as a leader was a "gold record in Japan" (Japanese ESPs were, in fact, unlicensed) but of the artists I've spoken with about ESP, most felt that it was a solid opportunity to record that launched many a career. I've spoken at length with Stollman, and both credit and pay are going where they are due.

As far as I know, it's going to be steady and sure reissuing of the back catalog, occasionally with unissued cuts and/or interviews. The Wright interviews are cool - c'mon, man, they're a piece of history! Besides, they aren't very expensive. One thing is for sure, and that's that these are completely authorized reissues and the artists and recordings are being treated respectfully. The Marion Brown set will contain both LPs plus some bonus material, as I understand it...

John Cage.

Hell, I was wondering where he came from, too... not only where he went! I sure wish somebody would get involved and reissue some of the other JCOA LPs, like the Moncur and the uh, Thornton, but I suppose the artists probably have the tapes. It's kind of surprising that nothing like that has happened, though.

Also Jerome Cooper, Paul Lovens (both otherwise drummers), pianist Francois Tusques and saxophonist Nils Harritt. Also want to say it ended up in some Art Ensemble recordings, but can't remember which of 'em played it.

They might as well re-RVG Idle Moments while they're at it.

I wish I'd had the chance to jump on this thread back when it was hot, but I too sold those CDs about a week after I got the promos. Just nothing to write home about, albeit 'well-done.' Interviewed Holland and he was an asshole, and had no interest in talking about anything he'd done prior to the current band, or any intellectual conversation. But he's getting a fair share of dough and recognition for beating dead horses, so... That tirade said, I love his solo and duo recordings from the 70s, as well as Conference of the Birds and Circle.

Wasn't the original question about a 'vanguard mainstream'? In that case, Dave Douglas would be a '90s-00's equivalent to David Murray, but without the blues chops. I sort of feel that David Ware is like that, too, though his music is significantly less palatable to a general audience... still, he's a bit of a 'token' player of free music, with a lot of free tenor tropes and nothing much to show for them. Vandermark was on that slide as well for a minute, but he seemed to get back on track and I think his output of the last few years has been great.

I could swear I saw it advertised at one point while Googling Carducci, but I could be wrong. In any event... great record.

Juba-Lee is around and findable, but I'm not sure if it's on CD. If so, it would be Japanese. Maupin has the first solo of the record, and it's a stormer.

Earl Freeman played one hell of an electric bass...

Yeah, a landmark. The Coryell piece is wigged, too. There's another previous LP called Communications (originally on Dutch Fontana, put to CD by ECM) that features a lengthy Mantler piece with a great tenor soloist by the name of Bob Carducci.

I think Freddie Waits plays saw on the record in question, but I'm too lazy to get up and look. Probably didn't want to ruin Waits's image as a drummer!

No, 21st.

Sorry, I guess that implies that our 'Conn' is inside my LP, which he is not last time I checked.

Conn, does that mean you're sending it to him without the jewel case and the white plastic tray? Ouch... Me, I prefer the Conn insert in a nice NY Mono LP.

I dunno, if the dude was calling it a 'microgroove' and looking it up on Gemm, I side with pasta... weak in my opinion, without much knowledge of the record even apart from the music contained (which, IMHO, isn't that great either). People do this Gemm- or eBay-research all the time, but if they had any idea how fickle these markets were, rather than 'oh, I saw that Lee Morgan for $200 last week on eBay so I'll sell it to you for $175' shit, they might get a better grasp on what these things are really 'worth.' Uggh, it hits me right under the skin. He should've offered it for $40, considering the condition. I'd be hard pressed to spend $150 on that title anyway... again, it's not that good. I probably would've sent Pasta my stereo copy if I hadn't unloaded it already. And yes, I understand 'business' but I don't understand certain 'business practices' which involve the maxed-out e-pricing. People pay far more impulsively in auction than they ever would in a store.

Not the sort of folks (save Hutch) I'm normally itching to hear, either, but what I've heard about these discs makes even ol' CT curious...

As per the Judgement post, my statement was that it had been OOP for some time. I can't even remember what the CD sounded like before - I'm on a Liberty LP and have been for many years. It's funny, they've been putting out a lot of weird Hill BNs on disc, but not so many of the earlier essentials.

Maupin also takes it there with Marion Brown, on the first ESP as well as Juba-Lee (Fontana). I really, really dig his tenor playing on these...

Just finished Shepp's "Pitchin' Can" (America). Now going to take it outside. No, I mean really, going to leave the house...

True, he's been the emcee and, I think, main promoter-musician for the Pori Jazz Festival since the late '60s.

Of course not, just wanted to be sure Fitz got what he needed. Was going to post some Ted Curson interviews but haven't had time this week so far; I'll try to do so over the weekend...