clifford_thornton

Well, considering 'Trane was just barely past "anti-jazz" in '63...

Gunter Hampel - Heartplants - (MPS reissue of Saba original) '65 date with Schoof, Courbois, Schlippenbach and Neibergall before they took it 'out.' Some parts wouldn't have sounded out of place on Blue Note...

Terry Riley - In C - (Columbia Masterworks pressing) library copy, but that's because I'm working at the library!

As far as I understand it, Dixon's work wasn't for ballet, but improvised movement and/or modern dance. Judith Dunn was pretty far from a ballet dancer.

I agree with you, or at least I see your point.

Was listening earlier to Mudhoney - Superfuzz Bigmuff - (Sub Pop), another great title and classic LP... only a few spins in recent years but in high school it was tops!

Right-o on both counts, Chuck. I have had a few off-center BNs, including some sealed Libertys that would have otherwise been perfect. I believe the only badly off-center (or, in this case, centre) LP I still have is my copy of Keith Tippett's "Frames" on Ogun - definitely a knocked stamper. A little wonky, but liveable.

Has Motivation been on CD? That one is just nuts! So there was a fourth on Savoy - I've never even seen it. I like your description! I can't say I've see a catalog number as high as 12303 on a Savoy LP before.

I have the Savoy LP - actually just traded my extra copy of it. EXCELLENT record, and should be properly reissued - that pennywhistle shit on side two really gets under my skin!

There's a LOT of good mid- to late-60s Savoy stuff. Other than the Shepp/Dixon records, there's some Dixon-produced sides that are brilliant, by Marc Levin (flute/cornet); Bob Pozar (drums); Ed Curran (alto/clarinet); and Marzette Watts (tenor). Love all of them (still need the Watts in the appropriate form). The Bill Barron dates, of which there are three, are all really nice too. Modern Windows and The Hot Line (w/ Booker Ervin too!) are serious - all the Barrons are on CD, or were recently. Perry Robinson has a nice, mellow but kinda "off-kilter" (lame phrase, but fitting) side called Funk Dumpling, with Motian, Grimes and Kenny Barron. I like that one. Joe Scianni (piano) and Dave Izenzon cut a duo called Man Running that's interesting, though the pressing is absolute shite - not uncommon with Savoys in my experience. In addition to the Valdo, Bley had some good Savoy material, though it's not up to his later greatness; still, Bley/Swallow/LaRoca isn't a bad start! Savoy '50s-'60s There are inaccuracies in some tracks, personnel and titles here and there, but it's helpful - especially to find some weird ones.

Yikes! And that's graded higher than the LP!

Yeah, that one never fails to piss me off!

I just bought something NM- so we'll see how this one turns out. Probably annihilated...

I bet this set is good. I have some of these on LP and am consistently finding new things to piss myself about on them... the Lighthouse date is a particularly heavy one, even without Farrell in the mix. I will wonder why he didn't get his own BN menage.

You could chewy-it and listen online first!

The Valdo kicks ass... I wouldn't say there's any amateurishness to the Moffett record - I think it's actually pretty deep, though there are moments of "letting up." The whole thing is absolutely beautiful, I'd say. Paul Jeffrey also has a Savoy record, apparently somewhat greasy, that came out at the same time. That and the Doug Carn Trio are both scarce ones that I stupidly passed up for $30 apiece about 7 years ago and haven't seen since. I mean, I didn't care about Doug Carn (and still don't) but it was a dumb move to leave 'em! Anyhoo...

Grove (not always the best source, I know) did state they were siblings. I guess this could be untrue or misleading, but I would hope they would at LEAST be right about that!

I know what you mean. That attitude is RE-TAR-DED. Like if they don't know of it, it must not exist. Anyway, I am sort of surprised Emanem is reissuing it (and sorta not), also never heard positive things about the record which kept me from being a nerd and buying the LP in the first place. It's since become somewhat expensive. What's most attractive to me is this: ROSWELL RUDD piano ROBIN KENYATTA alto saxophone KARL BERGER vibraphone LEWIS WORRELL double bass RICHARD YOUNGSTEIN double bass HORACE ARNOLD drum set 4 - LONG HOPE - 4:27 Analogue studio recording made in New York City - 1967 September But I wish there was an extra ten minutes of a track like that to get excited about. The band is majorly hip! Youngstein was/is(?) a fine player, if not quite the poet that Worrell is.

I agree completely. The Hill/Davis/Chambers trio was every bit as unpredictable/stimulating as the more "recognized" Byard/Davis/Dawson trio. And that's why I like ANDREW!!! so much - Gilmore gets right in there with them and mixes it up so nicely. You have more respect for the Byard/Davis/Dawson trio than I do. No "dis" to them, just think the Hill/Davis/Chambers combo was on another level. I'm gonna have to think about this one. In Euro-Jazz terms, it would be like comparing Schlippenbach/Neibergall/Liebezeit and Mengelberg/Altena/Bennink, so they're not all that comparable... That's a surface comparison, but it works from this end! I'm not a huge fan of Andrew!!!, probably for reasons similar to Clem, but I should pull it out again. My LP is actually mildly ratty-sounding, which could have an effect on my fondness for what's WITHIN the grooves. Haven't listened to the "Pax" session (I have it on the Hill 2fer LP) in a number of years, and wasn't fazed much by it back then either.

Yeah, he's great on those Elvin Atlantics, and the Shepps are fun! "Sonny's Back" has been a consistent spin over the years, from the Actuel catalog at least...

I thought it was "paired" with something but am too lazy to look up exactly what. I really don't "get" that record, but so be it...

Damn. RIP to a fine, fine player.

Maybe it was your copy I found at Laurie's bookstore on 9th and Nicollet Mall. I wonder what Jim was charging on it? He was way overpriced on a lot of things...

Moffett is a very good vibraharp player, in my opinion. He played it with Prince Lasha also. I'm not sure that the Moffett Family is a direct outgrowth of Ornette and Denardo; Moffett was a music educator in the schools and directed student jazz bands that were probably as great as his family group. Those kids could PLAY.

I love the Savoy - one of my favorite records - but the Moffett Family LP on Charles Moffett Records ('71 iirc) is also superb. It's got a healthy dose of modal funk, and includes Pat McCarthy as second bassist after Charnett. The opener is a mo'fo' of a heavy tune...