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Two words: Keith Monks.

Big picture = bad, vs. Big picture = good. Small picture = bad, vs. Small picture = good. Depends on who's painting, and where they dip their brushes. Byron Allen is "pretty good," but I'm glad he was there... Explain, though, E, what you mean by the most crucial innovations of the AACM being intellectual/stylistic/idiomatic. I'm not sure yet whether I'd agree with that as not being equally limiting.

"Academic" or no, Roscoe's a complex guy, and his music demands attention and careful consideration. I make no bones that I'm anywhere even near being in his craw, but I enjoy and respect his music immensely. Even though my experience with the Parker/ECM New Series has been kinda lukewarm - or, rather, my perception of it has - I would like to hear this.

Thanks, Chuck. That's helpful. I have the laminated cover with the drawing, but a white ESPM-1006 disc.

Isn't that what Judd is about? Well, that's for another thread...

Yoshi Wada - Off the Wall - (SAJ orig) Damn fine minimal LP... burning it and trading it to a friend. Kinda sad to see it go, but I am getting hooked up, I hope!

A buddy of mine has some Chris McGregor and Sun Ra 8-tracks, which I think is pretty cool. Also, a few cassettes on America!

Allan, that's hardcore.

I like Mengelberg's tune, "Hypochristmutrefuzz," a lot. It was apparently written to trip up Dolphy, because he wasn't a real circular-breathing type of player.

Was just listening the other day to Positions 3-6-9. Thanks for putting that one out!

Yeah, and Prince Lasha made me think about getting a Firebird...

Sun WHO?

Back to regular programming... Lubomyr Melnyk - KMH: Piano Music in the Continuous Mode - (Music Gallery Editions)

I checked out the reunion Sebadoh gig with Eric Gaffney in Austin recently. Strong stuff... that is, when Gaffney was fronting the bit. Lou can suck it. I like Dino, but feel that after Green Mind, shit went in the toilet. Hopefully the bombast and energy can be reclaimed.

Sadly, it's actually a studio record. But yeah, excellent stuff. I'll throw it on later today... that and the ICP variant of that tour, with "Eeko" on side two.

I might be with Paul Secor on this one. I'm not a player, nor is Cuscuna, and who are we to say that anybody - Jemeel Moondoc, Arthur Doyle, Phill Musra, Bob Ralston - are emotionally excessive or screaming pretenders? I'm into this music at this level because I feel things, and I think, and I have an identification with cats who express similar things to what I know/experience/feel. Yes, it is a Crouch-like quote. Is that just part of being a critical child of the late '70s/early '80s? The not naming names thing is pretty unhip, too. Clement Greenberg, in his art criticism of the 1960s, and LeRoi/Amiri Baraka in his writings of that time, certainly named names. Maybe to a fault (did Burton's career suffer? I know Frank Smith's did). But art critics like Michael Fried in the later '60s and into the '70s, only mentioned names when praising. When damning, it was a broad and impersonal swath. Same goes for Crouch and, evidently, Cuscuna (in this case).

Wasn't he playing with cats like Charles Moffett, Don Cherry, Byron Allen and Alan Shorter prior to his commitment to Trane's group? I guess that implies more of a "free-bop" thing, but...

It's not the first time that somebody reports the booklet is missing from that vinyl! My copy has the booklet but I don't have a scanner Mine was w/o/b as well. The vinyl was a little rough - would like to get a NM copy!

Jane's playing is fine on that Pharaoh (and enjoy it on the Mingus Jazz Workshop side too), but I have to wonder how things would've differed sans piano. Patillo can swing - dig the first Simmons on ESP for more proof - and Bennett and Foster could certainly keep things rolling. Just a thought. Still need a clean LP copy of Live at the East...

I heard it was more mainstream. I'd like to get the progression from this to his later stuff nailed down; it's a pretty interesting and unique course that's luckily well-documented on LP. This evening: Michel Portal - Splendid Yzlment - (CBS-AKT orig) Al Shorter - Tes Esat - (America)

Looks pretty harmless to me!

Giuseppi Logan - Quartet - (ESP Original stereo) New York Contemporary Five - Consequences - (Fontana Japanese pressing)

How are we positing Shepp's re-evaluation of his playing from the 1970s on? How are we positing, in a different light, Frank Stella's paintings after the early '70s? Shepp was at his zenith pre-blowout and Stella should never be allowed near a metal shop. Is there an end to the line?

Now THAT'S an obscure reference! I can't really add anything to what you guys have said. I wasn't "there" at the time. Sure, it's easy to fall for a lot of smoke without much fire in the belly, and it does happen, but MC, in his quote, seems to be discounting nearly an entire genre of music on the charge that there were some fakers. There also were some lesser talents playing changes who some people harangue MC about reissuing on Mosaic, day in and day out... and the AACM guys weren't all tinkling bells and measured tones, either. Some of that shit is fierce. Dig on Lester Bowie's orchestral material ca. 69/70 for a bit of that. As for "rage," great art can come in opposition, sure, and a fire in the belly can burn away the filth and prime the landscape for regeneration. Maybe idealistic, but... Giuseppi Logan is my co-pilot, and Frank Smith my navigator.

That's the only of Ray's LPs that I don't have. Really dig Rites and Rituals and June 11, 1971, though the Intercord isn't bad either.