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This. RIP. Does the sammich thread still exist? I could not find it. Extremely funny as I remember...

that's too bad. RIP, excellent trombonist.

Ha. There is an insane amount of stuff in there and more than a few records I'd never seen or heard of, so I'd imagine you're missing some of it as well. Beautiful book and a true labor of love.

yeah. Things change a lot, too -- obviously the pandemic shifted some things, but we had no idea what the Hudson Valley would become after investigating it a little pre-2020 and making the relocation push in 2020. It's great, but a lot less sleepy than it was before COVID.

Just a reminder for the upstate and nearby crew that this is happening on Sunday! Doors 7/music 8ish

My wife grew up in Pittsburgh. I can ask her some things about it; I was there once when I was young, and thought it was really pretty, but it's been forever since I was there. They do have excellent art museums (Carnegie, Warhol, Mattress Factory, etc), diverse neighborhoods, and lots of hilly terrain to hike/bike/walk around and explore. Pitt's jazz program is pretty top-notch and I would think that there'd be some way to get involved as a community member.

yeah, 8 AM on Sunday morning is tough, even for big wantlist items...

you were awake earlier than me for the Alorecord drop...

Saw Ravi a couple times but never John or Alice (duh). I agree, Ravi doesn't sound all that much like his dad. But that's a subject for another thread!

Yep, agreed on both counts. Kinski was also excellent in Herzog's other films including Nosferatu and Aguirre.

I have Farmer's Market as a New Jazz LP, very nice one.

I like this one: Also, "Mau Mau" is an incredible tune. Once I heard it I never forgot it! (doesn't hurt that the vamp on which it sits is somehow familiar... 🤔)

Hard to say. Depends on whether it's worth it and what the licensing or non-licensing looked like. It can be a lot of work to put a stop to grey market releases once they're out in the world and in mass quantities. UMG could be paying more in lawyer fees than they'd recoup from Scorpio putting out unlicensed LP copies of Dippin'.

RIP. He seemed like a fascinating character, and wrote some great tunes.

I am still suspect. It's pretty easy to bootleg records -- i.e., release stuff without properly licensing it. That article is interesting, though, and might mean that the issue is more complicated. The Scorpio Sun Ras are definitely unauthorized and sourced from digital masters, many of which were made for the Evidence CD program (different label, which also ran into some licensing issues by releasing more on CD than they were supposed to from the Saturn catalog). Hearing from the pressing plant that something is "licensed" reads weirdly -- the pressing plant taking Scorpio's money doesn't exactly instill confidence that what they're running off is wholly legit. In fact, I've never heard of a pressing plant caring whether or not their product was making royalties for the artist or label.

Scorpio is a bootleg operation.

Donelian still plays here in upstate New York. I should probably find a time to go see him.

I'd imagine, like Elvin, Paul Gonsalves, or Pee-Wee Russell, it was something like that.

I'd like to own the solo Clive Palmer LP. It's gotten quite hard to find.

used to have all those ISB albums on Elektra, and purged them in a move. I thought this was the most fully-formed of the bunch, although Wee Tam had some great songs too.

yep! All of his 60s/early 70s output is excellent. FWIW, trumpeter Lasse Färnlöf wrote nearly all the music on the first two, and Sweet Alva seems to be the first to actually feature some of Abeleen's writing.

worth it for the title track alone, my god!

RIP, too bad. Just watched her in After Hours not too long ago.

Right, I actually talked to Dave about this so it was indeed conceived as a mass of individual lines/phrases superimposed to create a collective whole. If musicians are playing their own thing in parallel, then they're doing right by the music as it was composed. A lot of free music is quite organized and sometimes even precomposed. Good call on the Coursils. I think of them a bit differently but they are rigorous and spacious for sure. the Horos are pretty bound up in all sorts of questionable ownership deals. That said, there's only a handful of Horo LPs to my mind that are really in the "free jazz" realm. Most of what I own or have heard is of the "off-kilter mainstream" variety. There are some more experimental exceptions, though: Lacy, Schiaffini, Mengelberg-Bennink-Schiano-Rutherford, Laboratorio Della Quercia, MEV... IIRC at least one of the Lacys got the vinyl reissue treatment not so long ago. Re: Togashi, those are great records but I don't feel that something like, for example, Guild for Human Music has much in common with the Black Unity Trio on the face of things.

well, simply put, Echo is a dense thicket of clusters and superimposed scales and operates more like a matrix or latticework. Solestrial and Luna Surface are similar in that they are built off of scalar superimpositions, but structured more purely around constant glissandi. Silva also came from action painting and the gestural strokes of flinging liquid paint onto a floor-bound canvas (acting within that environment) influenced these works pretty heavily.