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agreed. Once Zoot clicked for me, he never let up.

Ah, that's too bad, but what a life!

Matthew Shipp -- specifically influenced by Sal Mosca and Warne Marsh. I realize Matt has been on the scene for quite a while, but he still champions that music.

yep. and I agree with all that Karl has to say. It's not revelatory music but it is very good.

that's the one I am most familiar with.

okay, that part seems line a joke, but the broader query is more serious.

I wouldn't consider a Japanese musician "white." Doubt the original intent of the thread was to fuck with us, given Allen's decades-long exploration of ethnic/cultural identity in his work.

Yeah, I have little interest in the book to be honest. The few reviews I've read aren't particularly inspiring.

this has been corroborated!

Looking up Oscar Dennard's Tangier recording, I found this: https://africasacountry.com/2017/10/tangiers-jazzmen-and-their-phantom-producer

yes, doesn't he still spend a lot of time in SA?

Yusef Lateef taught in Nigeria in the early 80s, resulting in two albums' worth of material. Barney Wilen documented and made field recordings while traveling in north central Africa in 1969-70, also resulting in two albums of material. Lester Bowie lived in Nigeria with Fela Kuti and performed in Fela's band. Sun Ra and his band were at FESTAC 1977 (Lagos) and also performed in Egypt. Max Roach was at FESTAC too, I believe. Archie Shepp and his band were at the Pan-African Cultural Festival in 1969, and I know that was very important for him, Burrell, Moncur, Thornton, Silva, and Murray.

couple of great saxophonists born today: Dexter Gordon (1923-1990) Rob Brown (b. 1962)

yeah, those three are very good. I don't know this one.

Some very interesting musicians born on this day! Also, pianist Chris Anderson (1926-2008), bassist Hilliard Greene (b. 1958), and bari saxophonist Claire Daly (19580-2024).