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Track 1: already posted, positively identified. Love it!!! Track 2: The baritonist on this reminds me a little of Cecil Payne, but not enough to positively identify him. Or is this latter day Cecil? I don't know his last few albums; if it is him, he's not in peak form - he usually displays more ideas. Nice jumpy rhythm section, must be a relatively new recording, judging by the bass sound. Three stars overall. Yup - Cecil. Looking for mostly short tracks restricts the choice Track 3: This has a sparing piano intro and then a brass burstout making me think of standard Basie formulas. Did Charlie Fowlkes ever take a solo? He reportedly was a good soloist - like the one here. Others are no slouches either. I wouldn't be surprised if this was in the Basie Clef Mosaic, which I still have not gotten far into - shame on me! Hmm .... the tenors don't sound like the two Franks Wess & Foster. And the pianist ..... Basie formulas, buit not necessary the Basie band .... I'm not sure. Good track - 4 1/2 stars. Nothing at all on this one yet Track 4: Cool white guys, eh .... Mulligan would be much too easy a guess, although this is similar. I'd say it's not him. Nice, but not quite my cup of tea. Track 5: This player really digs in, like Pepper Adams, but it's not quite his sound, but he's pretty close - Gary Smulyan? I have three of his discs, but am too lazy to compare. Yes, this is Gary all right. First i-d. He's playing a Pepper Adams tune! Track 6: Very nice and energetic - love the Monkish touches in the theme, but have no idea. Another 4 1/2 star track. Track 7: From the bop era - reminds me of the Winding session with Mulligan ..... but I could be totally mislead here. Track 8: "Centerpiece" - a little pedestrian, but otherwise nice. Track 9: "Blue Bossa" - or rather, "Blue Samba", the way they play this. Strange sounding rhythm section - bass a little too much ahead of the others, drummer is like suspended in the air, with only snare and cymbals audible (did he not use his bass drum, or did they forget to open the microphone?). I have to admit I'm very critical about jazz players utilizing Latin rhythm like this - not enough understanding of the Brazilian roots, for my taste. Trombone is nice, soprano a little breathless and repeats himself too often in standard licks. Baritone has a nice warm but still edgy sound. Pianist doesn't sound completely at ease with this tempo - not a first class player. NMCOT. Track 10: Some Quincy Jones chart? Very nice drummer, who has the power to push this larger band with brushes. Jimmy Cleveland blowin' da bone? Johnny Griffin! I bet this is on my wish list! Not sure about the baritone, though. It's not from Cleveland's EmArcy disc, that's certain. Great big-toned bass - I know that guy!!! Arrgh! Like it a lot - 4 stars. JC and JG, right, but not QJ. Bass player is one of the most easily recognisable I've always thought, generally speaking - starts with an "R"! Track 11: Oh - I used to have this. As good as this sounds I'm a little surprised that I must have dispensed of this in one of my LP sales over the years. A Manny Albam arrangement, titled "Blues from neither coast" IIRC. This was in rotaition quite often. I should have kept it, 'cause I'd love to listen to the whole album again! Right again - Manny Track 12: Nice punchy bass drum sound - if you must play a march, do it like this! Oh - Dizzy Gillespie's "The Champ". That's a very nice tune, with that boppish urgency I love. Right on the tune - that's as far as we've got Track 13: Oh - I know that one! What a great idea to play part of the melody on the cymbals! Mel Lewis. A phenomenon - a drummer with the power to drive the biggest bands, and the perfect chamber jazz drummer, and the swinginest, all in one person! The knife, Pepper Adams, Duke Pearson, the master of subtle swing, and my favourite post-bop trumpeter, Thad Jones. I sold my warped LP, but still have to get a CD replacement! Five stars! All correct Track 14: Now that must be Mulligan, at last ...... Swingin' very hard, that is! I love him when he plays like this. Nope, not Mulligan Track 15: I know that tune, but can't remember the title ..... Again, not enough authentic Latin for me. Track 16: Authentic bop! Is this one of those Chaloff Dial sides? They're still scuffling a little with the new language - the baritone is the most fluent. Trumpet full of Dizzy-isms. I probably have that on some LP. Serge it is Your comments well worth the wait, Mike, thanks a lot for the contribution. I have filled in the progress thread. Not many gaps left now but still plenty of scope for more anwers overall. Time is short though

Joe has been around for a long time. Born in 1929! Biography by Scott Yanow Baritonist Joe Temperley is the perfect musician to fill in for Harry Carney during recreations of Duke Ellington's music, a role that has often overshadowed his own fine voice. Temperley actually started on the alto and recorded on tenor with English bands led by Harry Parry (1949), Jack Parnell, Tony Crombie, and Tommy Whittle. He stuck to baritone during a long association with Humphrey Lyttelton's popular band (1958-1965). In 1965, Temperley moved to New York, working with a variety of big bands (including Woody Herman, Buddy Rich, Thad Jones-Mel Lewis, and Clark Terry). In 1974, he became the first replacement for Harry Carney with the Mercer Ellington Orchestra and then freelanced with the who's who of jazz including (starting in 1990) the Lincoln Center Jazz Orchestra under the direction of Wynton Marsalis. Temperley has several fine albums out as a leader, most notably for the Scottish Hep label; on the centennial of Ellington's birth, he released 1999's Double Duke. Not 5, Red. I may be letting on too much but we must be approaching the end now and it won't be too long before I put up the answers. I'm still hoping for more contributions to the discussion though - how about it? I'm stumped! I was aware that Temperley had been around for a long while; but am I right in thinking he's recorded only relatively recently (the last 15 years or so)? I think I read that biography whilst trying to pin down an answer as to which track he appears on. I hadn't realised he moved to NY and worked with all those other big bands! I'm increasingly inrigued by track 7. I also wondered whether Temperley might be the bari on 'Centrepiece'... Not Joe on 8, Red. Not too many left but all will soon be revealed. You can see the answer to 7 on the progress thread.

Joe has been around for a long time. Born in 1929! Biography by Scott Yanow Baritonist Joe Temperley is the perfect musician to fill in for Harry Carney during recreations of Duke Ellington's music, a role that has often overshadowed his own fine voice. Temperley actually started on the alto and recorded on tenor with English bands led by Harry Parry (1949), Jack Parnell, Tony Crombie, and Tommy Whittle. He stuck to baritone during a long association with Humphrey Lyttelton's popular band (1958-1965). In 1965, Temperley moved to New York, working with a variety of big bands (including Woody Herman, Buddy Rich, Thad Jones-Mel Lewis, and Clark Terry). In 1974, he became the first replacement for Harry Carney with the Mercer Ellington Orchestra and then freelanced with the who's who of jazz including (starting in 1990) the Lincoln Center Jazz Orchestra under the direction of Wynton Marsalis. Temperley has several fine albums out as a leader, most notably for the Scottish Hep label; on the centennial of Ellington's birth, he released 1999's Double Duke. Not 5, Red. I may be letting on too much but we must be approaching the end now and it won't be too long before I put up the answers. I'm still hoping for more contributions to the discussion though - how about it?

One more thing before we start: nobody forget Joe Temperley, the UK bari player who took Carney's chair for a while towards the end, and is himself a wonderful player. Mmmmm....!!!! So... Give me a number! Thinking about Joe Temperley...I say Wynton Marsalis with the LCJO on their UK tour a few years back. In Cambridge (I don't know if he was with them for the whole tour), Marsalis got Temperley on stage to take the Harry Carney feature on Ellington's 'Sunset and the Mockingbird'. He played one of the most beautiful ballad performances I can remember seeing, received a round of applause from the band, and (for those who like their jazz macho) blew Marsalis off the stage. A really special performance Wonderful! No recording I suppose? This is good though, I think. Do you have it, Red? Review by Scott Yanow Joe Temperley's thick-toned baritone and swing-oriented style is heard at its best on this CD, his definitive release. Temperley's huge sound sometimes makes it seem as if he is playing a bass sax rather than a baritone, yet his fluidity is on the level of an altoist. He performs seven selections (including four Duke Ellington songs) with a talented quartet headed by pianist Brian Lemon and a six-song suite by the late trumpeter Jimmy Deuchar with an 11-piece group; the latter also features fine solos from altoist Peter King and trumpeter Gerard Presencer. The swinging music is all straight-ahead with appealing chord changes, serving as an inspiration for the underrated baritonist. Recommended. So where is he in BFT#36 then?

You are correct on album & tunes titles (actually the tune is Now Hear My Meanin'). The personnel: Benny Bailey, Idrees Sulieman, Jimmy Deuchar, Ahmed Muvaffak Falay, Roger Guerin, Edmund Arnie (tp), Ake Persson, Nat Peck, Erich Kleinschuster, Raymond Katarsinsky, Keg Johnson (tb), Derek Humble (as), Karl Drevo, Ronnie Scott, Billy Mitchell (ts), Sahib Shihab (bars/fl), Francy Boland (p), Jimmy Woode (b), Kenny Clarke (d), Joe Harris, Fats Sadi (perc). Recorded January 25/26, 1963, Frankfurt, Germany. Thanks.

Many thanks for this info, Mike - hastily correcting my records! I recorded the track from an FM broadcast way back in 1993 (before I even had an internet connection), no doubt from the original LP (Columbia 9114). I've also now ordered the CD from your source. Does it give full personnel? I don't suppose I'll get it in time. Anyway, Derek Humble on alto, Ake Persson on trombone and Sahib Shihab on baritone are right I'm pretty sure. The album is called [Now Hear Our Meanin'] whereas the tune appears to be "Now Hear My Meaning" (composed by Jimmy Woode) from what I could see.

Hey, that's nice, folks! I didn't think anyone would remember I'm having a great day waiting for new contributions to the discussion on BFT#36, none having arrived - yet!

Things are really filling up now on the progress chart but there's still a few with nothing identified. Many more contributions to come I hope - plenty of time and another weekend is upon us.

1. I think this is the Clarke-Boland big band, and if it is, that would be Derek Humble on alto, Ake Persson on trombone, Sahib Shihab on bari. Bingo! CBBB, and right on the soloists. 2. A nice track, sounds like it was probably recorded in the 1960’s. Fine musicians all around, but no clue who they are. Cecil Payne on bari? Cecil - yes. A little later than 60's though. 3. Probably a 50’s date, the feel is very much out of Basie, maybe this is an Ernie Wilkins chart? I get the feeling this may be one of those all star sessions on Savoy, the tenor might be Frank Foster, but the bari? No 4. Cool, sweet, possibly west coast. Or are we in Sweden with Lars Gullin and Arne Domnerus? Very nice, lovely bari playing. Nice tenor too, can’t come up with a name. Now the pianist sounds like it could be Claude Williamson or Pete Jolly, but I’m gonna stick with the Swedes on this one. Your instinct is right - Swedish. Lars and Arne. Tenor player not too well-known I guess; I'll tell you because it's pretty unlikely anyone will get it without looking it up - Carl-Henrik Norin. 5. Now this is familiar – I’m sure I’ve heard (and might even have) this record. Ballsy bari player – Nick Brignola? Nope! I've been just slightly devious with this one. All will be revealed in due course. 6. This is puzzling. The alto is a little off-kilter, in a nice sort of way. The bari player is OK, but I don’t dig the tenor at all. Interesting piano-less ensemble, nice chart, well played. Still no alto i.d? Well, well! 7. We’ve gone back to the early days of bebop for this one, the trombone is very J.J.-like (there might be a good reason for that). Leo Parker on bari? Excellent vintage track! Yes, and yes 8. The tune is “Centerpiece” aka “Keester Parade”. This track seems kinda rote to me; they never rise above the mundane. Ah - I didn't know of the alternative title, just knew it as "Keester Parade". So I'm not sure if anyone knows who's playing. 9. A Horace Silver-styled introduction leads in to “Blue Bossa”, a tune that has been played to death. This version smokes, however. Really fine trombone player, possibly Bill Watrous. There’s a younger guy that sounds like Watrous, I think his name is John Allred. This could be him. I like the soprano, and wonder if the bari might be Ronnie Cuber. Here’s a perfect example of musicians making something special out of warhorse material! Right on tune and trombone, but not Cuber, here! 10. Weird ping-pong stereo separation on this, suggesting that it might have been recorded in the late 50’s. Again, a fine trombone player. This BFT could also double as a trombone sampler! Oh, that tenor is so familiar, a nice R&B inflected style with a strong blues feeling. The short bari solo is a teaser. Liked this, no clues. Just coincidence about the trombones, but perhaps not as the two instruments go so well together. Must be lots of other examples. 11. This sounds like Gerry Mulligan to me. Most likely it’s Bob Brookmeyer on valve trombone, maybe Gene Quill on alto, Gerry on bari, not sure about the trumpet, although I like his playing. I think I’m hearing two tenor solos, or maybe the one guy changes his sound slightly midstream. Might this be from Gerry’s Pacific Jazz big band album? I seem to recall that Allen Eager was on that. Wow, you're good! Falling like ninepins!! And here I was thinking maybe I'd made it too difficult. Two tenors, yes (not Eager) - both top flight. I know I could never have heard that without the line-up in front of me. I was trying to guess which was which but couldn't. Jeru and BB is right - not Quill but kinda close. Leader is someone else. 12. “The Champ” An aggressive tenor solo, but not too imaginative. Another good bari player, not turning on any light bulbs in my brain. A nice drum solo – this guy has a nice snare sound. I’m reminded of Nick Fatool a little, but I think that this is a more modern drummer than Nick. You got the tune. Glad to hear you like the baritone player! The drummer is, I think it's fair to say, not well-known. 13. Dammit, I’m hearing this track for the third time, and I still can’t identify this very familiar tune! Is it a Benny Golson composition? I think the bari is Pepper Adams, strong solo. Art Farmer on trumpet (or fluegelhorn) seems right. I’m sure I know this pianist, I swear I’ve got this album! Is the tune "Fair Weather"? Pepper Adams, yes. Tune written by the pianist. I don't think anyone has identified this trumpet player yet. 14. Now this has to be Gerry Mulligan! If so, then I’m all wrong about #11. Or maybe it’s somebody playing a Mulligan tune? Can’t place anybody here. Not Mulligan - you're not invincible then? 15. “Little Old Lady”, Hoagy Carmichael’s tune. No names are popping up here, although I like the track overall. The calypso feeling is nice. John Surman on bari? I seem to recall an LP he made that had some calypso tunes on it. Understandably, the tenor recalls Sonny Rollins a little. This track grew on me after a few listens. Tune you got, but not John Surman. I hope this one will lead to a few purchases of the album. Baritone player deserves to be better known I should think. 16. I knew Serge Chaloff had to show up eventually, and here he is. This must be one of the Savoy sides. Again, a nice trombone player, Earl Swope maybe? Good bop trumpet – Red Rodney? And there’s the unmistakeable Serge! Spot on with trombone, trumpet and baritone too. A fine flourish with which to end I must say. Virtuoso performance! Thanks a lot, Jack - very happy you didn't boycott my modest effort. Now I will update the "progress" thread and hope I can remember all of your hits.

One more thing before we start: nobody forget Joe Temperley, the UK bari player who took Carney's chair for a while towards the end, and is himself a wonderful player. Mmmmm....!!!! So... Give me a number!

Expecting big things from you, Red! Agog! Which said, you and I are going to fall out Where is Harry Carney? The greatest of them all! All I can say is "mea culpa" because I didn't have anything including Harry Carney available, a lamentable failure. He's not the only extremely important baritone player to be omitted either, although most are there! Some of them still unrecognised but not so many now.

Expecting big things from you, Red! Agog! Please don't! My attainment in the game will not even match up to me enjoyment. I'm glad I did - a "sterling" effort and several additions to the "Progress" thread. I'm including correct guesses there too of course.

Expecting big things from you, Red! Agog!

Progress thread amended as appropriate for these last two posts. I knew it!

This has given BFT#36 a boost - thanks, couw. I'm sure you'll get more as you listen more.

It might have been, if it was, but it ain't!

No comment on your PS, Flurin! Nice try in view of the distractions you are subject to. I've posted what you have said that's correct in the "progress" thread. Do you have to transpose when you play the bari?

I have had some trouble on past BFT's finding out just what the current situation is on identifications. I thought I'd try making an at-a-glance list as we go. Just an experiment. Helps me to keep track too. 1. Clarke-Boland Big Band (stereojack, mikeweil), tune "Now Hear My Meanin'" (composer Jimmy Woode Jr) (stereojack, mikeweil), album [Now Hear Our Meanin'] (stereojack, mikeweil), baritone Sahib Shihab (stereojack). alto Derek Humble (stereojack). trombone Ake Persson and full personnel (stereojack). 2. baritone Cecil Payne (Red, stereojack, mikeweil, couw), album [brooklyn Brothers] (couw), tune "Jazz Vendor (couw). 3. 4. baritone Lars Gullin (stereojack) alto Arne Domnerus (stereojack), tune "Fedja" (couw), album [baritone Sax: Lars Gullin/Lars Gullin Swings] (couw) 5. baritone Gary Smulyan (mikeweil, couw), tune "Homage" (couw), album [Homage] (couw) 6. 7. tune "Down Vernon’s Alley" by J J. (couw) leader J J Johnson (couw, Red, stereojack) baritone Leo Parker (couw, Red, stereojack) piano Hank Jones (couw) 8. tune "Centerpiece" or "Keester Parade" (king ubu, stereojack, mikeweil) baritone Bill Perkins (couw). 9. tune "Blue Bossa" (king ubu, couw, Red, stereojack, mikeweil) album [L A Bound] (couw)sop/bari double (couw) baritone Nick Brignola (couw) trombone Bill Watrous (couw, stereojack) 10. trombone Jimmy Cleveland (mikeweil, Big Al), tenor Johnny Griffin (mikeweil, big Al), tune "Just Plain Talkin'" (couw, Bi Al), album [The Magic Touch] (couw, Big Al) baritone Tate Houston (couw, big Al) bass Ron Carter! (couw, Big Al) 11. baritone Gerry Mulligan (stereojack), valve trombone Bob Brookmeyer (stereojack), two tenors (stereojack), arranger Manny Albam (mikeweil), album [Jazz Greats of Our Time (couw) 12. tune "The Champ" (stereojack, mikeweil) 13. baritone Pepper Adams (Red, stereojack, mikeweil), drummer Mel Lewis (mikeweil), piano Duke Pearson (mikeweil), trumpet Thad Jones (mikeweil), tune "The Chant" (couw) 14. baritone Bob Gordon (Red, couw), tenor Jack Montrose (couw), tune "Meet Mr Gordon" (couw) 15. tune "Little Old Lady" (stereojack), baritone/leader Claire Daly and album [swing Low] and personnel tenor George Garzone piano Eli Yamin etc (all couw) 16. baritone Serge Chaloff (durium, stereojack, mikeweil). trumpet Red Rodney (stereojack). Trombone Earl Swope (stereojack).

What he said ! Anyway, thanks very much for this very enjoyable BFT ! Bright Moments and Steven - I live in hope that you won't give up quite yet - suggest you keep an eye on others comments which might then give you ideas as to other details yet to be identified. Some very prominent baritone players not yet spotted.

Stefan Wood, marcoliv and wordsandsounds have not yet reported as having received, but they were mostly sent later. Let me know when you get them or more particularly if you don't. Only one week in yet so still time to rectify.

No offense taken, Dan, but as I pointed out elsewhere there are other things happening on most tracks. It's just that there's a baritone solo on each, not necessarily all that prominent. Gave me a theme is all. Not too late if you change your mind - I can still send you a copy.

Good to have you on board, Al. It would be best for a copy to be sent in the US but if necessary I can still send one from here. Let me know if you want me to do so. Only takes a few days in the mail.

1. Not Kenton, Durium, or Konitz. 3. Not Basie either. 4. Nope, not Mulligan. 5. Nor Serge. 14. Wrong on both counts unfortunately. 16. Yes! - you have the baritone player - the first hit - I wondered if he might be identified first. But not right on the band or the tune. Not the right line-up for that. Only fifteen more baritone players to go! Plus all the other details of course!

It's that "breaking glass" sound that does it for me (the term used by Peter Clayton, now long departed British radio jazz presenter). Pepper's a great favourite with me too. Sory to have to tell you you are wide of the mark on your guesses about 16, Brad. The tune is not well-known I would say but the baritone player certainly is. Keep trying!