Scott Dolan

Hmmm...point taken. While reasonable, it still seems bizarre in the age of the internet. I mean, hell, I heard it on Apple Music. It's not like I had to purchase a CD from some obscure boutique shop in Bumfuck, Germany.

Great to see Tyshawn Sorrey’s epic Pillars listed in the top 15. I do wonder how Syllogistic Moments from Peter Evans and Barry Guy didn’t make the top 50. That would likely be my album of the year.

I’m with Jim, it sounds like the session was never finalized. Oddly enough it’s really easy to do if you’re not paying attention. At least it was on the older programs I used back when I was burning them on a regular basis. Last few I’ve done were done using iTunes, which thankfully automatically finalizes each session.

Ah. Yeah, that’ll be extended. The initial copyright expiration was 1984.

I disagree. The Ravens needed that win more than pretty much any win in their history, because it knocked the piece of shit Steelers out of the playoffs! 😀

The article is behind a paywall, so I can’t see it. Can you further explain how this is about Mickey Mouse, and why it would matter since Disney would never allow the copyright to expire?

Yeah, that post you quoted was just seething with an uncontrollable rage! Again how did we get from a wonderfully coy comment on mutually agreeable seduction and the games that get played on the way to "yes" - a mutually agreeable yes, to a song with a line explicitly talking about a drug that wouldn’t be invented for another decade after it was written? See if you can actually stay on topic without feeling the need to attack my personality.

“Oops, yeah that whole date rape drug thing I mentioned was actually pretty stupid” is what you meant to say. Nobody is mocking sensitivities, that’s just a paper thin straw man you concocted after your previous comment was thoroughly thumped. Looking back over this thread earlier, it became perfectly clear the extreme level of mealy-mouthed eqivocation you’ve engaged in throughout this conversation in a desperate attempt to make everyone aware of your self-perceived righteousness. The “right side of history” is wherever Jim says it is, and trust me, folks, it is all OVER the place! I mean, we started out with a wonderfully coy comment on mutually agreeable seduction and the games that get played on the way to "yes" - a mutually agreeable yes. Who ARE we?? And how did we get here?!

Rape is so playful!

Aha! Great call, jcam! I had no idea, but with some quick research after reading your comment, tranquilizers/benzos weren’t even created until 1953, a decade after this song was written. And Rohypnol didn’t come about until the early 70’s. But who knows! Maybe Frankie had an insider within the pharmaceudical industry that told him about what was being studied. And being the evil genius that he is said to himself, “hey! This would work wonders if I slipped it in her drink!”

So that line is strictly about roofies. Check. Sounds like really delusional bullshit, but I’ll accept that is your fantasy and you’re sticking to it. Back here in reality, she’d never know to ask that question because the most sinister aspect benzos in drinks is that there is no way for the person drinking it to notice anything is different about the drink. But, hey. Never let facts ruin a great fantasy!

Yep, because only alcohol leads to rape. And obviously far more often than not! Fascinating bullshit you’ve been cooking up in this thread. I mean, can we post pictures of beds? Will those also relate to a lot of life experience as being “rapey”? Get the ever-living fuck out of here with that bullshit.

I do not give two half-assed fucks what kind of descriptor is placed in front of it. “Rapey” is weapons-grade idiocy in decribing those lyrics. Period. Rape is the most dehumanizing, violent, criminal act one human being can perpetrate on another. If this is even mildly “rapey”, then all seduction is “rapey” so we might as well erase the word from existence due to the redundancy.

“Rapey”? How silly.

Fair enough, brother. It’s not as though the music is going to be revisited many times, even by those of us that appreciate the box set.

??? Isn’t the music far more important? Benedetti set out to document Bird’s solos, not the rest of the bands he was playing in. I mean, I do understand your frustration, but to call this important historical audio documentation a piece of crap seems incredibly harsh.

Fantastic article, thanks Brad. I actually thought she was better behind the camera, but that article makes a great case otherwise. I wasn’t a huge fan of Laverne & Shirley, but like most of that tv generation, I still watched it weekly.

Again, I say the Rock hall of fame lost all credibility when they inducted Miles. He belongs in there as much as Jethro Tull belongs in the Jazz hall of fame.

Nope. You’re right. The program managers of those stations just woke up one morning and said, “I’m banning this song, just cuz”. Funny how those individual, personal decisions came about in a vaccuum, isn’t it? I mean, gosh, what are the chances!

Yep, just up and chose to in a vacuum.

Fucking seriously, Jim?! Tell me how many times you see the words ban, banned, and banning in this article. I didn’t just make this shit up in a fucking vaccuum. https://www.npr.org/2018/12/05/673770902/baby-it-s-cold-outside-seen-as-sexist-frozen-out-by-radio-stations Goddamn you can be the most epic asshole at times.

I probably would, too. But they lost all credibility about the time they inducted Miles, IMO.

So why not address what I posted earlier. A lot more women in this world have been physical assaulted than sexually assaulted. So if they are offended because Miles Davis abused women, he and his music have got to go, right? Now, as I've stated, I find the song to be rather lifeless, boring garbage. But banning art is some incredibly dicey shit, brother. The kind of dicey shit you usually only see under totalitarian regimes. And banning a song due to ones interpretation of innuendo? That's the diciest shit in the history of dicey shit! Sorry, if was explicit, "look here bitch, you ain't going nowhere! You're staying right here so I can drug you up and go all Cosby style on you!", then this conversation might actually make sense.

Yes was an outlier. I’ll even grant you ELP. Popularity is one factor. Legacy and influence are others. Look, I spent my fair share of time listening to Prog, all the way up to Porcupine Tree. It just doesn’t hold up, IMO. It’s like going back and listening the music that was the soundtrack of your teenage years. In many cases it ends up sounding dated and weak. Think west coast Punk, Heavy Metal/“Hair Metal”, Disco, 80’s Post Punk, 60’s Psychedelic, Grunge...There were greats that came out of those scenes, but not many. All popular enough at the time, but did they really hold up and/or have a lasting effect?

That's how fans of all obscure genres feel, though. Again, it was never a popular genre, and bands like Genesis and The Moody Blues only experienced a higher level of success when they stripped away all the Prog excess and started making more Pop Rock oriented albums. Hell, even Yes experienced the most success with 90125. And I've never considered Pink Floyd a Prog group, personally.